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welcome to Scaling UP! the podcast for
water treatise where we’re Scaling UP! on

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knowledge so we don’t scale up our
systems

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hello Scaling UP! nation my name is Trace
Blackmore and I am your host for Scaling UP!

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h2o folks I have to tell you there
are so many people out there that get in

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touch with me and they say they enjoy
this show they say they enjoy the show

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because one they feel like they are no
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treaters on their day to day servicing

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much as I do well I mentioned that so
many people out there love this show

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because they get to learn more about
water treatment a couple of episodes ago

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I spoke about corrosion and how we deal
with corrosion in our day to day well

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today I’m going to continue that theme
but today we’re going to be talking

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about scale and what scale is what it
does why we care about it and how we’re

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able to do something about it before I
start talking about scale I want to talk

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about what a water treatise job is we
treat water we have to know one the

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amount of water that we are treating to
treat it correctly but we also need to

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know the equipment that that water is
going to see so we can predict what is

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going to happen so that means one we
need to know the volumes of our systems

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but we also need to know every piece of
equipment that our treated water is

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going to touch and I can’t tell you how
many water treaters I’ve worked with

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that don’t know how much water is in
their system and then they have never

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ventured outside of the mechanical room
to see all the pieces of equipment that

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they’re treated water comes in contact
with

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so please do yourself a favor and make
sure you know every piece of equipment

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that you’re treated water comes in
contact with now that I’ve said that

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let’s talk about water we know that
water is the universal solvent water

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against anything else given enough time
water will win it will dissolve it

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that’s the only thing that it knows to
do is to dissolve everything and it will

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so when we get water it’s important to
realize that we don’t just have water

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when we turn on the faucet it’s not just
water it’s water and stuff and we’re

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going to talk about where that stuff
comes from it’s very important that we

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understand that only pure water
evaporates leaving it’s solids behind

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and then when it condenses and it starts
to rain it is now water water in its

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liquid state will dissolve everything so
as it’s falling through the sky it is

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dissolving all the gases it comes in
contact with when it hits the ground its

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dissolving everything it comes in
contact with as it percolates down or it

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runs off into a lake or stream so when
we get water I mentioned before it’s not

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just water it’s water and stuff and that
stuff is three different categories it’s

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dissolved solids suspended solids and
dissolved gases it’s very important that

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we realize that each one of those three
items will make it more difficult for us

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to treat water and in fact if you’ve
heard me talk about what a water treaty

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AAB is we have to slow down corrosion we
have to prevent scaling ie things coming

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out of solution we have to make sure
that the biologicals and the systems

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just don’t grow rampant and then we have
to do something about the general

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dirt and debris in the system so now
let’s look at those categories that we

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just talked about we said only pure
water evaporates leaving it’s solids

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behind but when it becomes water and it
condenses and it starts to rain it

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starts to dissolve everything it
dissolves all the gases it dissolves

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everything it comes in contact with and
the three categories are dissolved

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solids suspended solids and dissolved
gases well the dissolved gases those are

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things like carbon dioxide oxygen
ammonia sulfur dioxide hydrogen sulfide

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all these various things these are
getting dissolved in the water then we

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have suspended solids suspended solids
or the soil the decaying matter certain

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minerals oil microorganisms clay all
this stuff the water has not had a

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chance to dissolve yet it’s just going
on for a ride and then there’s this

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stuff it has dissolved and those are the
dissolved solids those are things like

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calcium magnesium alkalinity silica
sodium chloride sulfates iron

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bicarbonates carbonates I think you get
the idea and I think you have picked up

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that these are the tests that you are
running on you’re treated accounts well

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we need to know what is dissolved in
that water because there’s only so much

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that the water can hold before there is
an issue or the conditions of the

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systems change and then we form scale so
those four items that I mentioned that a

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water treaty has to deal with come from
the fact that water has water and stuff

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in it so the dissolve gases well they
enhance corrosion we’re never going to

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solve corrosion corrosion something
we’re always going to deal with but we

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can severely slow it down when we have a
bunch of dissolved gases in the water

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that’s going to increase the potential
for corrosion the suspended solids well

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that’s all
the dirt and debris that we get in the

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system that eventually there lays down
on a heat transfer surface or it creates

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another problem in the system so that’s
where the dirt and debris comes from or

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the suspended solids and amongst those
are microorganisms so those are coming

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right in with the makeup water or we’re
pulling those in if it’s a cooling tower

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right in as the cooling tower operates
with the air and now we have to deal

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with those the last one was the scale
component and that’s why we do all of

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our tests we have to know what’s in the
water

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what’s dissolved in the water how much
can we hold of that particular substance

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and now maybe we can put a product in it
to extend that but that’s where our

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scale comes from you put all those items
together and you put a good professional

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water trader out there and they should
be able to treat that water pretty darn

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well so let’s get right in our
conversation about scale it’s important

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for us to realize we have to know the
water that we are treating or we cannot

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treat it I can’t tell you how many
service reports that I have seen from

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either companies I’ve worked with or
customers that have shown me service

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reports and they don’t have the make up
water on the report folks if you don’t

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know what make up water is well maybe
you need to listen to some more episodes

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of Scaling UP! but what that is that’s
the water that’s coming into the system

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so that’s the water right out of the tap
we have to know what we’re starting out

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with in that water and that can also be
called raw water I’m trying to think of

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there any more names we like to
complicate things in water treatment so

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they’re probably ten or twenty other
names for that but those are the two I

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can think of we have to know what’s in
the water what we’re starting out with

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so we know what to expect as we
concentrate up the water and it’s also

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important to know that if I test an
account in this city and I move over to

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another city it’s not necessarily going
to be this

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water in fact if I test water on a
particular Street and then I go across

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the street it might even be different so
how do you know well you know because

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you test and we even have some accounts
that change their water source so they

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could be something one day and the next
day there’s something completely

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different they’re getting water off of
the city and then they’re changing over

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to a well so by no means is being a
water treaty ever easy but we have to

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understand certain things we have to
understand that water is unique to the

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location that we are at until we prove
otherwise and the only way we know is to

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test and now that we know what’s in the
water we can predict what is going to

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happen in the system using that water
now only pure water evaporates leaving

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its solids behind I’ve said that a
couple times already but that’s very

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important for a water treaty to
understand because we have to deal with

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all those solids that are left behind
and eventually they are going to create

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an issue and we have to be able to
anticipate that a term that has been

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used for decades is cycles of
concentration and cycles of

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concentration is how many times a volume
of water has evaporated and refilled and

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evaporated and refilled and evaporated
and refilled and that’s an area that

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would have been three cycles of
concentration of three it’s evaporated

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and refilled three times I will tell you
I personally do not like the term cycles

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of concentration it’s perfectly
acceptable if you’re talking to another

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water treater but I can’t tell you how
many customers that I’ve spoken with and

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I’ve said cycles of concentration I’ve
explained exactly what it is and then

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when they try to explain it back to me
they’re thinking it has something to do

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with the recirculation rate of the
system I can’t tell you how many times

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that’s happened so what I like to do
when I train people and I’m teach

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somebody a topic I like to use words
that explain themselves so I don’t use

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cycles of concentration I use
concentration ratio because that

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explains itself what is the
concentration ratio of the cooling tower

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it’s seven well that means that it has
evaporated and refilled its volume seven

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times and whatever I test in the make up
water in reference to the cooling tower

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the cooling tower should be seven times
as concentrated as what I tested in the

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makeup water the term just makes sense
and when I explain it like that I know

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it makes sense however I’m talking to
water treaters if I’m not talking to a

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water treated a may not understand the
concept that there’s a bunch of solids

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dissolved in this clear water well I
can’t see it it’s just water when it

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gets evaporated everything goes away so
what I like to use is I like to bring

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cooking into the conversation because I
guarantee you everybody has started to

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boil a pot of water on the stove been
distracted the water evaporates out and

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they have a crusty substance on the
bottom of that pot and that is all the

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dissolved solids that used to be
dissolved in that water until all the

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water evaporated leaving at solids
behind and that’s exactly what you are

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seen on that pan when you can tell
people that they immediately get it and

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they understand so our job as a water
treaty is to conserve as much water as

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we can we need to know how far we can
extend our concentration ratio without

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creating an issue and the issue is water
will be fine holding a particular

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substance in solution up to a certain
point when it hits that certain point we

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get nucleation and nucleation is that
first little crystal that begins another

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crystal that begins another crystal and
a domino effect

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that ultimately creates scale now when
you think of scale I want you to think

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of insulation now we all live in a house
and we probably have paid somebody or

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we’ve done it ourselves to make sure
that we have enough insulation up in our

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attic when we are heating and cooling
our homes we do not want that heat or

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coolness to escape so we insulate that
in well folks our job as water treatment

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professionals is we are heat transfer
efficiency managers and that means that

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because we are reducing the potential
for corrosion were making sure things

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don’t scale we make sure things don’t
accumulate too much when we talk about

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microbials and I set it that way on
purpose because we are not sterilizing

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the system I know we’ve talked a lot
about Legionella but Legionella is up

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and above a regular water treatment
program more to come on that in future

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episodes and then we’re also taking care
of the dirt and debris that’s in the

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system so those are the four things that
we’re taking care of as a water

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treatment professional but because we
are doing that we’re making sure that

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heat transfer that’s taking place in the
system which is the only reason they

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have that equipment in the first place
is as efficient as it possibly can be if

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we have scale on any heat transfer
surface it’s acting like that insulation

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in our attic but now it’s making it more
difficult to transfer heat and in our

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house that’s exactly what we want but in
a heat transfer system we want that to

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be as easy as possible because we want
to take the heat from a place where we

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don’t want it and send it off to a place
that we do not care about it anything

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that comes in contact in between that
process that is going to impart more

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energy to do the same job if the system
were clean so clean systems mean more

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efficient systems so when you think
about scale I want you to think about

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insula
station and think that it’s costing more

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money to transfer the heat because I do
not have a clean system and folks if

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you’ve never thought about it that is
where we earn our worth to our customers

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so think about it I’m gonna try to do
some visual math here so if you will in

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your mind’s eye think about what I’m
saying here

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so make sense to you but I know you have
customers out there that wants you to

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lower your price somebody’s always
cheaper you need to lower your price

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well I was thought a long time ago
there’s price meaning what you pay for

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something and then there’s cost and the
cost is looking at what you’re paying

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for but all the things that that one
thing you’re paying for is doing and

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that’s what we’re gonna look at right
now so what is the value that us as

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water treaters can demonstrate to our
customers so we said a clean system is

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an efficient system a dirty system
obviously is not as efficient so let’s

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say we have a 1/100 of an inch of
calcium carbonate scale on our heat

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transfer surface unless say we’re in a
cooling system here specifically a

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chiller well that’s really small that’s
about the thickness of a sheet of paper

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1/100 of an inch so that’s not a lot of
scaling if we were to look at it but the

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fact of the matter is if you were to do
your math to figure out what calcium

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carbonate will cost as far as increased
energy it will reduce the efficiency of

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that machine by 10% that means that
Shiller has to work ten percent harder

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to overcome the insulative value of that
calcium carbonate to transfer that heat

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so it can get the heat from a place
where we don’t want it to send it to a

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place where we don’t care about it well
folks let’s go ahead and prove this with

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some math so we’re going to look at a
500-ton chiller running 24 hours a day

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three
and sixty-five days a year

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at about 0.6 kilowatts per ton and
they’re paying seven cents per kilowatt

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if you do the math straight across with
that you’re gonna find out that they are

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paying a hundred and eighty four
thousand dollars a year to run that

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chiller now that’s considering that it’s
a full load but for this example let’s

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go ahead and consider that if we reduce
the efficiency by ten percent because of

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that 1/100 of an inch of scale 10
percent of a hundred and eighty four

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thousand is 18 thousand four hundred
dollars now one of the benefits that I

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have with working with the association
of Water Technologies is different

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regions will charge different amounts
not that everybody charges the same

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thing not that there’s any price-fixing
going on but they’re the markets out

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there and the market will bear a certain
amount from one region to another and

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that’s determined based on how they are
treating the water is there more stuff

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in it that they have to deal with can
they concentrate it up more can they

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concentrate it up less so with all of
that if we look coast-to-coast a 500-ton

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system like that would be somewhere
between 6,000 and 12,000 dollars roughly

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with that if they are doing their job
properly they should be saving that

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eighteen thousand four hundred dollars
so let’s take the top end of what that

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water treatment cost was so twelve
thousand dollars is what they’re paying

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for somebody to come out and do a water
treatment program well they’re now

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saving eighteen thousand four hundred
dollars and folks that’s the magic with

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what we do
they cannot transfer heat as efficiently

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as that equipment kind of transfer the
heat without us doing what we do the

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problem is so few of us talk about that
and what happens is we now compete

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against each other because of
folks it’s not about price it’s about

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how good of a water treatment are you
making the system so when we talked to

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customers we want to make sure that they
see our value and they know that if a

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professional like us are not doing their
program they are going to suffer because

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they’re not going to get that optimal
heat transfer efficiency so if you’re

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not talking to your customers that way I
think you need to and if you can’t prove

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that you’re doing that you need to start
asking questions like why why am i doing

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the tests that I am doing why am i doing
these calculations why am I having these

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conversations with a customer and why do
I need this piece of equipment on the

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wall all these things they’re all adding
up to the fact that you’re running a

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program to maximize the heat transfer
efficiency and if you can talk to a

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customer in terms of heat transfer
efficiency management and what you are

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overall saving them because you are
charging them for your water treatment

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program they will get it and they will
not be so sensitive when somebody else

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says that they can do it for 15 bucks
cheaper a month Scaling UP! nation you

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know that I get the ideas for this show
because of the people out there in the

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Scaling UP! nation folks like you either
email me or they go to the webpage

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Scaling UP! h2o com and they go to the
show ideas page and they send me show

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ideas another thing you can do is go to
our web page and you can leave us a

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voicemail if you do that and I use your
question on Scaling UP! h2o I will send

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you a Scaling UP! t-shirt so many people
have gotten these Scaling UP! t-shirts

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and they’ve sent me pictures than
wearing them and I promise you will be

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the envy of all your water treatment
friends with a t-shirt like that so

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please help me get one in your
hands please keep those questions coming

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we are coming up on our hundredth
episode it is so hard to believe that

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just a little over two years ago I
started Scaling UP! h2o and folks we are

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over ten thousand subscribers now we’re
in over sixty countries and that doesn’t

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happen without people telling other
people that they need to listen to

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Scaling UP! h2o
so I appreciate that our job is not done

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25:02.2

your job is not done I really want to
try to get this as big as possible

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because I think that’s gonna help us all
as a water-treatment community so when

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you’re talking to a fellow water treater
by all means bring up Scaling UP! h2o and

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make sure that they know how to
subscribe to that well folks it’s hard

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25:24.0

to believe it’s been an entire year
almost since the AWT had its annual

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convention and Expo well it’s coming up
very quickly the 2019 AWT annual

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convention and Expo is going to be
September 11 through 14 if you have

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never been to an association of Water
Technologies convention I promise you

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25:48.8

you are missing out there is so much
stuff there in fact if you are a water

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treatment company owner and you’re not
coming to this you are missing a

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tremendous opportunity how often can you
go into a room and every single person

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every single vendor that you will ever
need to buy from is in that room not to

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mention there are other people that are
walking that exhibit hall with you that

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are having the same exact issues that
you are having and there’s no reason

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that you guys can’t talk about it and
figure out what one has done what

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another has done so you don’t repeat
each other’s mistakes and you can start

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solving solutions now for those of you
that don’t own a water treatment company

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but you work for a water treatment
company

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that’s what you’re gonna do you’re gonna
go around the exhibit hall and you’re

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gonna think what are the big issues that
are happening in my company and what’s

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one product in this huge exhibit hall of
a hundred vendors that I can take back

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that will solve or hopefully begin to
solve one of the issues that I am having

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I promise you as a water treatment
company owner if you can went to one of

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those and I spent money to send you and
you came back with information like that

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I would be ecstatic but don’t stop there
you’re gonna see people that are your

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peers and folks you cannot go into a
regular room and say I’m a water treat

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or I want everybody to do that the next
party they go to just scream I am a

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water treat and see what happens people
are gonna look at you like you’re crazy

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and they’re gonna have no idea what that
means they’re gonna thank you work at

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the local sewer or you’re a pool
professional well that’s not exactly

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what we do I promise if you yell I am a
water treat a cross the AWT convention

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hall floor everybody will turn around
say yes so what so am i I wonder if

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somebody will do that that’ll be fun I
want to get in trouble for this by the

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AWT I can tell but the point is you are
amongst people that understand what you

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go through day-to-day when you start to
meet those people and you start sharing

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ideas you are going to get tremendous
ideas to take back to your company to

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take back to your regular day-to-day
things that may just make everything

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that you do a little bit easier so by
all means take advantage of that and for

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those of you that are going you should
be able to download the agenda of the

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28:39.0

Convention and you can see all the
technical papers that are going to be

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presented this year when you do that you
can now plan where

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you want to be and you can even bone up
on some of the information that they are

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going to talk about so you get even more
out of those presentations folks you

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can’t afford not to go to the aw T
convention and Expo September 11th

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through the 14th and folks I’m going to
be there I hope to see you there and by

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all means if you see me let me know that
your listener Scaling UP! I love to meet

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people out there in the Scaling UP!
nation and I’m even gonna be doing some

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recording I’m gonna be seen what are
some of the new things that are coming

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to the water treatment industry that
could help us do what we were just

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talking about how can we use some of
these new ideas these new technologies

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to make our day to day easier so maybe
I’ll even interview you we won’t know

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unless you come up to me and introduce
yourself folks one thing’s for sure I

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love bringing this show to you and I
will talk at you next week on Scaling UP!

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h2o

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