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128 Pinks & Blues: Tonnage x3


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am honored to be the host of Scaling UP!
h2o and there is just so much going on
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of course you all know because I talk
about it all the time I am involved with
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the Association of Water Technologies
and next week I will be in Cleveland
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Ohio doing the conclusion not that it’s
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part of the training that we do we
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side of the country and then we do one
on the east side of the country this
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time we’re in Cleveland Ohio so I always
love these trainings I’ve been a trainer
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for a AWT I don’t even know how many
years it’s been a while and people
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always ask me trace why are you giving
away things that make you market ibly
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more competitive than other water
treaters well of course you they’re out
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there and the scale up nation can answer
that question you know a rising tide
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raises all boats but here’s the other
thing that’s going on there that I don’t
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think everybody realizes the more you
give to this industry the more that you
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will get back so although I am giving
things that I’ve learned over costly
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mistakes that I’ve made and also things
that I’ve created that didn’t exist
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before I created them there’s several
equations that I share with the audience
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I do that knowing that that rising tide
will raise all boats but when I do that
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people give back to me they ask me
questions and through those questions I
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get better insight and I also get a
network of people that I can call when I
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need help with an issue because no one
person knows everything
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so when you can get a group of people
that you can talk through situations
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around you it is just amazing what
happens from that and that’s really the
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basis of why I started the mastermind as
well but I want everybody to think about
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what are they doing so they’re actually
creating a community where they can get
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their questions solved so I talk on the
show quite a bit about what can you do
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to make yourself better how do you get
out of the day-to-day whirlwind that we
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are always in but today I want you to
focus on what are some things that you
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can do to make sure that you have a
community of people so you can bounce
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questions off of again when you can let
people know what issues you are having
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they can use their experience maybe not
to answer your question but to ask
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questions in a different way that will
allow you to solve them and again that
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is exactly what we’re doing in the
rising tide mastermind but there’s so
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many other areas in life that you can
use that same philosophy to get that
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same benefit as well you know I want to
say I had a great time in Seattle
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Washington a few weeks ago so many
people came up to me and gave me some
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great show ideas I got some criticisms
too and folks I don’t mind those
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anything that you were going to share
with me makes me better it makes this
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show better and I think as the show gets
better we are going to make the industry
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better together so thank you so much for
those people that came up to me and gave
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me some advice for all those that gave
me some new topics and people to
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interview I would not have a show
without you so I am hoping that I will
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receive that next week in Cleveland when
I’m at the AWT training again so if
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you’ve got something out there don’t
keep that locked up inside your head
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I’ve got so many ways that you can share
that with me I know you’ve heard people
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on the air
ask questions and then I answer them
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those have been some of my my favorite
shows to do because I know I’m answering
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the questions that you want me to talk
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questions so thank you in advance for
keeping those coming well over the past
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few weeks when I’ve been doing pinks and
blues you might have noticed that
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they’ve been a little themed and I I
thought about this theme but I didn’t
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announce it but I figure since we’re
three deep into it now I will announce
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it people have asked me to start doing
math on the podcast this isn’t new this
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has been years that people have been
asking me to do this and I just did not
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think it would be received well well it
turns out it’s being received very well
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and I’ve been getting some great
comments coming back to me people
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thanking me for explaining why we do
some of the things we do when it comes
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to our math equations so I figured let’s
continue that series and we’re going to
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basically we’re in a series of rules of
thumb and for those of you that have
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been to any of my classes where we’re
talking about mathematics and by the way
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that’s what I do with the training I
teach the mathematics portion and people
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hate math but I gotta tell you I love
math for the simple reason it’s the only
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thing you can really count on in water
treatment everything else is so dynamic
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it changes so much and I know people
will argue that math is only going to
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get you close but I can’t think of
anything else that is as consistently
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close that will allow you to start a
program
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and do it better than any other way than
using the equations that we have in the
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water treatment industry so with that I
have been pretty much my entire life
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looking for all the rules of thumb that
we have and figuring out where they came
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from now when I say rules of thumb I’m
specifically talking about the constants
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that are in our equations if you ask a
seasoned water treater what is that
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constant number that’s in the equation
they’re gonna say hey that’s a rule of
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thumb and what does that mean well
probably means they don’t know where it
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came from but I would say that no one
ever told it to them and they just took
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it for face value that it is what it is
and from a lot of people that is fine
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however for myself and how I learn and
how I apply these equations I need to
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know where something is derived from in
order for me to truly understand what
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the equation is and it’s important for
me to understand the equation because
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when I understand something I can use it
properly and more important when I use
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the equation I can see whether the
equation is giving me the correct data
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or not if I don’t know all the inputs
that are going into that equation and
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understand why the output is going to be
totally oblivious to me and I don’t know
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if it looks like a right answer or not
so if you need a reason to start
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understanding some of the water
treatment equations that we use better
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then I would suggest you use that as
your reason well today I thought we
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would talk about why we use tonnage and
specifically we have a rule of thumb
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that’s tonnage times three and if you’re
looking for recirculation rates those
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are typically tonnage times three and if
you ask somebody well why is that
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they’ll say oh well that’s a water
treatment rule
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of thumb so what I want to do is go
through where that actually comes from
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and see if we can all truly understand
why it is tonnage times three so I want
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to start out with evaporation rate now
there’s several evaporation rate
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formulas out there but I think the most
common one that we use is evaporation
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equals point zero zero one so one 1000th
times the recirculation rate times the
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delta T that’s the water in water out
temperature and then times some sort of
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factor so let’s look at that equation
really quick so let’s start with the
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zero point zero zero one so that is a
constant where the heck does that come
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from well it takes a thousand BTUs to
evaporate one pound of water and that
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number allows us to put that fat into
the equation then we have our
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recirculation rate so how fast is the
water gallons per minute going through
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this system then we take the delta T so
the hot water coming in minus whatever
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temperature is lost and the cooler water
going out so if it’s a 10 degree
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difference say it’s 90 degrees going in
80 degrees going out so that would be a
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10 degree delta T and then it’s times a
factor so we don’t get a hundred percent
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evaporation when we put water through a
system so we have to equate for the
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sensible loss of heat so depending on
what region you are in if we’re talking
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about a cooling tower you might use
something like 0.8 or you might use
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something like a point 9 you’ll have to
reference that to see what your area is
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in and then you would just simply use
that number as the factor so again the
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equation evaporation rate equals the
point zero zero one we know that that is
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it takes a thousand BTUs to
every one pound of water times our
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circulation rate we don’t quite know
that yet if it’s not listed times our
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delta T or change of temperature times
our factor and that will give us our
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evaporation rate well the other thing I
want to look into is the recirculation
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rate and the recirculation rate if you
were to ask somebody how to find that
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and they would say we’ve got to add up
all your pump gPMs but I want to tell
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you those are really really difficult to
find and now we’ve got variable
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frequency drives on them there’s just so
many different variables on there it’s
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not how most water treaters find
recirculation rate so you’re gonna ask
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somebody and they’re gonna say oh will
you just take the tonnage and you
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multiply that times 3 and that gives you
their recirculation rate and most of us
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have heard that and we’ve done that for
years and we’ve never thought twice
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about it well that’s what today’s show
is going to do we are going to talk
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about why we use tonnage times 3 but the
first thing I would like to do is talk
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about why we use the word ton and what
is ton mean well it all goes back to the
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fact that we are melting ice when we’re
trying to cool something or more
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important remove heat so we’re basically
talking about a ton of ice and all the
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equations that we are dealing with in
this manner are focused around a ton of
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ice we have this big fancy term called
the latent heat of fusion of ice now
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what the heck does that mean well I’m
sure you know this but I’m going to go
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into it anyway if I have a glass of
water and I have ice in the water and
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then I have liquid water it’s 32 degrees
so how does the ice know to stay ice and
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the water know to stay water it’s fairly
interesting some of us might not have
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thought about that before but what that
is that’s the latent heat
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a fusion of ice so here’s the thing we
have to put energy into it specifically
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we have to put BTUs British thermal
units into the ice so it will phase
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change into water remember water has
three phases we have solid which is ice
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liquid which is water and then gas which
is our steam so we’re now at the eye
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stage and we have essentially if you
will 32 BTUs in the ice because the ice
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is 32 degrees but again the water also
is 32 degrees so now when we look at the
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latent heat of fusion of ice we have to
add an additional hundred and forty-four
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BTUs to convert that solid ice into
liquid water and now we have thirty-two
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degrees water pretty sure you’ve heard
something like that before but I am
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surprised at how many water treaters
don’t realize that our job is BTU
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efficiency management and folks if you
don’t understand BTUs it might be a good
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job a good time for you to review that
so why don’t we just do that now so now
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we have water in its liquid form at 32
degrees so water boils at 212 degrees so
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that means we can add heat to the water
basically a hundred and eighty BTUs
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worth so we have a hundred and eighty
times which is not the best way to say
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that but we have this long span that we
can add heat to water before its next
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phase change now what that means is we
have this broad spectrum that we can add
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heat and the other cool thing about
water is water does not get as hot as
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other substances do when you add heat to
it now in another series I might prove
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that but just take my word for it for
this or if you come to the training next
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week I’m promise
I will talk about that so with that
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water is the best heat transfer medium
out there for two reasons one it does
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not get as hot as other things when you
add heat to it and we have so much
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opportunity to add heat to it because it
doesn’t boil into 212 degrees so now
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we’re up to that 212 degrees and we have
to convert it to steam well it takes an
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additional 970 BTUs to convert that 212
degree water to steam so steam once we
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get it has eleven hundred and fifty BTUs
in it I’ll do another episode that’s the
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reason we had the Industrial Revolution
but that’s not the point of this one and
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by the way that point zero zero one in
the equation that I mentioned earlier
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that’s where that came from that 970
BTUs well-water treaters are simple folk
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I’ve said that several times so we just
round that up to a thousand so that’s
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where it takes a thousand BTUs to
evaporate a pound of water well it
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really takes 970 but we’re gonna make it
easy to remember so we’ll say a thousand
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so is everybody with me there there’s a
little brief comment on how the BTUs go
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with water but now we got to get back to
why we’re using a ton now that we know
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that the latent heat of fusion of ice is
a hundred and forty-four BTUs we’re
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going to put that knowledge into the
equation again that 144 BTUs is how many
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BTUs it takes for that ice to become
water so a ton is 2,000 pounds so if we
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take 2,000 pounds and multiply that by a
hundred and forty four BTUs divided by
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our 24 hours we get 12,000 BTUs per ton
of water an hour so that just told us a
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chiller ton removes 12,000 BTUs per hour
now that still doesn’t tell us where
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that tonnage times three comes from but
it does get us a little bit closer so
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here’s what we know a chiller
removes 12,000 BTUs per hour per ton we
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just proved that but a tower is size to
not only remove the BTUs that the
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chiller is taking out because we got to
get rid of it somewhere that’s what the
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cooling tower done is we also have to
realize that the chiller is producing
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heat in the process of removing that
heat so we’re going to add an additional
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3,000 BTUs as parasitic heat from the
chiller so at our ton is 15,000 BTUs per
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hour
make sense chiller ton is 12,000 BTUs
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per hour and at our takes out not only
the heat from the chiller that it’s
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removed but the parasitic heat that it
puts into the system which is an
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additional 3,000 for a total of 15,000
BTUs per hour so how do we get to
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tonnage times 3 here it comes
we know that water weighs eight point
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three four five pounds per gallon now
flow rate is in minutes but if you
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noticed all the tonnage I talked about
was all per hour so we have to do a
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conversion there so we have to convert
our pounds per hour so our eight point
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three four five pounds times sixty to
get it into an hour we get five hundred
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point seven with me so far
so our flow rate and pounds per hour is
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our pounds of water are eight point
three four five times sixty to get it
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into an hour that equals five hundred
point seven and then we know that towers
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are typically designed for the 10 degree
removal of heat a 10 degree delta T if
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you will so our five thousand point
seven times 10 equals five thousand and
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seven so now let’s put the two things
that we just learned we
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know that at our ton is 15,000 BTUs we
learned our flow rate using pounds per
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hour based on the tower design is five
thousand and seven so if we divide
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15,000 by five thousand seven we get
roughly three and that’s how we just
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proved tonnage times three so the next
time you cannot find the GPM plate on
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the pump and I don’t know why but it’s
never going to be there somebody’s gonna
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tell you or you know you can use tonnage
times three but now you know why now
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let’s say you have an absorption chiller
so that’s actually tonnage times four
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based on its flow rate and you can have
all that equation if you want to look
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that up the Google is great for that and
you might be saying you know trace this
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all started out with the equation point
zero zero one times recirculation rate
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which was the tonnage times three times
the delta T times our factor but you
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know what I don’t need to know any of
this because I use a different equation
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and the equation you might use is
evaporation equals one point eight
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gallons per ton so there might be a
couple people out there that say they
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use that well because I’m a nice guy I’m
going to prove that one for you so if
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you take 15,000 BTUs which is how many
BTUs at our supposed to remove times are
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1 pound divided by a thousand BTUs
remember it takes a thousand BTUs to
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evaporate a pound of water and then you
multiply that by one gallon and how much
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does a waterway it weighs eight point
three four five pounds so you multiply
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that by 1 gallon divided by eight point
three four five if you do all that work
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you’re gonna get one point eight so
you’re doing the same thing you just
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23:25.0
didn’t realize where
from now the issue with that is that
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23:29.5
assumes a hundred percent of operation
it doesn’t take an account our factor
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23:35.8
that we talked about before and it also
assumes a constant delta T so again when
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23:43.4
you understand the equations that you
are using you understand the inputs that
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23:50.2
it’s asking for and now you’re able to
put better data in and get better data
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23:57.8
out so I sure hope that you’ve enjoyed
me attempting to do math on the podcast
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again you all asked for it I didn’t want
to give it to you but since I’ve given
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it to you many of you have written in
and said that you have enjoyed it so I’m
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24:14.7
hoping this helps and I hope you keep
coming up with ideas different equations
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24:19.3
that you want me to prove this equation
right here came from a Scaling UP! nation
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24:24.4
member they asked me what is this
tonnage times three about so went ahead
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24:28.5
and did it on the show so folks what do
you want to know about what are the
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24:33.5
equations that you have questions on
what water treatment issues do you want
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24:39.8
to talk about so we can make sure the
show is doing exactly what you needed to
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24:47.4
do well folks next week we have got a
show on sails and I’ve been to a seminar
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24:52.8
from this gentleman his name is Brian
gray and he just does a great job of
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25:00.5
helping us learn how to present better
when it comes to not only gathering but
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25:04.7
delivering our proposals and I know
you’re going to join that in the
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25:11.1
meantime I hope you have a great week I
hope you choose to do something
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25:19.0
significant to increase your base of
water treatment colleagues so you now
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25:25.5
can bounce ideas off of so whatever you
need to do to do that please think about
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25:32.3
doing that and I will talk with you next
week on Scaling UP! h2o
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25:42.0
nation one of the keys of my success has
been being a member of groups of people
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25:48.8
that help me get to the next level let’s
face it when we are bombarded with the
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25:54.8
day-to-day of all of these tasks that we
have to do in our job it is so easy for
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25:59.3
us not to work on the things that we
decided were most important to us we
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work on things that are most important
to other people the rising tide
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26:11.0
mastermind is a group that will make
sure that you’re considering all of the
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26:16.7
items that are available to you and
making sure that you are getting to the
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26:23.3
next level simply put you will get where
you want to go faster when you have a
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26:28.3
group of people that are encouraging you
and keeping you accountable to get there
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go to https://scalinguph2o.com/mastermind to see if this is the right
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group for you.

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