Scaling UP! H2O

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welcome to the scaling up h2o podcast the podcast where we scale up on knowledge so we don’t scale up our

systems i’m trace blackmore the host of the scaling up h2o podcast and nation

happy birthday to me today is my 47th birthday i have seen this world go

around the sun 47 times lucky me i’ve seen so many things in my

47 years if i was more creative i would have come up with the top 47 things that

i’ve experienced in my lifetime but folks i’m just not that creative and unfortunately i don’t have that for you

but i will tell you that i have enjoyed every single moment of my life

and part of that life is definitely water treatment i was introduced into water treatment when i was very young i

didn’t understand what water treatment was until i got older and then i definitely didn’t understand what a

great opportunity water treatment is until i got even older

than that today i have so many gifts in life because

i found water treatment i didn’t find it my father introduced it to me but i made

sure that when it got hard i stayed the course and i stayed in

industrial water treatment and i’m sure glad that i did there’s so many people that i’ve met there’s so many

experiences that i’ve had there’s so many great wonderful people that i work

with and the list goes on and on it’s my wish for all of you here’s my

birthday wish that you all love the industry that you are in that you love

your job you love your career as much as i do

and every single day you don’t have to work you go in and you do something that

you love if you are not feeling that way i want you to ask yourself is there something

you can do to get to feel that way and take it from me every day was not

kittens puppies and rainbows there are definitely some hard things that i’ve had to deal with but by and large i

truly love having the job of an industrial water treater if you do not

see yourself feeling the same way i promise there’s something out there that will make you feel that way i hope

that you have the freedom to go out and find that speaking of things to find here are some

things that are going on that might interest you on may 12th awt is having

their crime control and best practices webinar we’re going to have a link to that on our show notes page so you can

register and see that webinar and for you awt members out there they record those webinars so you can

watch them at your leisure if there are several people out there that haven’t

seen some of the webinars and i haven’t seen them all there’s a bunch of them out there there’s an entire library that

you can go through and there might be something out there that gives you some

more information on something that you want to know so by all means check that out

something else you might want to know about is the water environment federation is having their residuals and

biosolids conference may 24th through 27th in columbus ohio check out our show

notes page for more information on that and also coming up the american water works association is having their ace

conference in san antonio texas june 12th through 15th all of that information will be on

our show notes page and nation i hope you have already signed up for this next one that i’m going to tell you about and

i’m so excited about this because i participated in this last year i’m talking about team world vision global

6k it’s happening saturday may 21st you do not have to go anywhere to do this

you can walk you can run you can do whatever you want to do

but you need to sign up and by signing up you will allow clean water to come to

parts of the world that does not have readily available clean water and you

get to tell the story while you’re doing this 6k so many people asked us why we

were wearing a race bib with somebody’s picture on it why the shirts were orange

so everybody could see them why was it a 6k and not a 5k and by the way the average distance somebody that does not

have clean drinking water readily available to them has to walk is six

kilometers there and back you are representing how far they have

to walk to get to a drinking source and i said clean water i’ve seen some

pictures where these people have to get their water from it is everything but clean and a lot of the problems that

they have health-wise come from these contaminated water sources we can help this and we can actually

have fun with each other doing it you can sign up by going to scaling up

h2o.com forward slash 6k and you can join team scaling up we

would love to have you or you can create your own team with your own company and

it’s such a great way for you to bond with your team while doing such a worthy

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scouter nation today i am going to introduce you to one of my best friends

in the water treatment industry i hope you enjoyed this interview

my lab partner today is bob lee of r2j bob how are you doing

trace i’m doing fantastic good to be with you it is good to be with you i’ve

got so many bob lee stories some appropriate for the podcast most not

but i have got such a memory full of things that we are going to hash out on

today’s podcast i may be concerned we probably should have gone over that in your contract i’m thinking

ah yes i think we’re you’re right i should have an attorney look at that more closely

your fault but here we are we’re going to do it bob do you mind introducing yourself to the scaling up nation

well i’ll keep it brief my stepfather and i founded rtj in 1982

and i was fresh out of college i had i wasn’t even out of college yet but he had taken an

early retirement from uh oil and water services so we formed r2j and i started working

about 1992 he retired and i became president of r2j

at the same time i discovered awt got to involve with awt because i needed as a

small company i needed help knowing what i didn’t know 1995 got my cwt i got involved with the

technical committee what happened and i started meeting people at awt and eventually somebody convinced me jay

farmer to run for the board which i remember him saying i said i don’t have time to do that he said don’t

worry you won’t win anyway and i did that’s what you want to hear ah i did and i ended up serving i think about

eight years on the board became president and had a great experience with that and uh we just continued to

to grow and now we’ve made it through a terrible recession and pandemic and we

continue to grow and employ folks down here well bob you mentioned the association

of water technologies and that’s where you and i got to know each other and we really started to appreciate each other

when we both served on the board together and you were president the year before i became president and i don’t

know if i’ve ever shared this with you but i learned so much watching you lead

you have an exact opposite style to myself where

you can process things internally i don’t have that ability i have to say everything out loud and a lot of times i

get myself in trouble but during your presidency we were dealing with issues

with the certified water technologies exam and there were some issues with that and we wanted to make sure that that always

stayed above board we ended up taking the cwt so you could not take that test while we

were working out some issues with it and the issue was resolved and we were rebuilding

another test and i remember i was getting excited over all these issues

and and you were very even keel and you allowed me to know that i was being

heard and i could ramp myself down a little bit turn the knob down a little

bit and you were just so good at giving everybody what they needed on the board

it was so helpful as me being president-elect that year and learning so much from you i don’t know if i ever

told you that i just wanted to thank you for such a great example of leadership

well thank you i hope all my employees are listening to this conversation well

they should everybody everyone should listen to scaling up h2o and you

know while i’m thanking you there’s there’s something else that i don’t think i’ve ever told you and it was

something that happened at my very first awt convention so i was 20 something

years old i decided that i was too insubordinate to work for anybody so i had to start my own company and i got

the advice from somebody if you’re going to be in the water treatment industry you have to join the association of

water technologies i didn’t know any better so okay i wrote a check probably couldn’t afford it at that time but i

did it and then they said and if you’re going to be a member you have to go to the annual convention you have to

there’s no choice if you’re a water treatment company you got to go there because everybody that you’re ever going

to buy any products from they’re going to be there and you’re going to meet so many people that are going to help you

with your business didn’t know any better i went there well i got there and

everybody knew everybody else except for me and i remember

that i would go to the minglers that they had and i would start talking with

somebody and somebody would talk to me until somebody better in my words came

along and they’d say oh excuse me i got to go talk to jack and then i’d talk with somebody else and

the same thing would happen well then you actually came over and you spoke with me

and you asked me about my company you asked me about how long i was in business and you started asking

questions and you and i had a dialogue and then somebody walked by and you turned your head and i was

waiting for you to leave saying oh i’ve got to go talk to sam you didn’t do that you said oh i’m going to go talk to sam

let me come with me i want to introduce you and i now became part of that conversation and you introduced me to so

many people during that first meeting people that i didn’t have the courage to walk up to at that point in my life and

say hey i’m trace i just started a water treatment company i want to know more about the association

and then later that night you saw me standing alone again and you offered to

buy me a drink and then at the bar you again introduced me to people all around you

i don’t know if because of what you did i became president later of that organization

but i honestly don’t know if i would have gone to another convention had you not done what you did so thank you for

for giving me that for that act of kindness it really did shape everything that happened after that

wow well thank you it’s gonna say great guy syndrome that’s me you know but i think probably

my first three or four conventions i went to i knew nobody and stood around

didn’t know anybody just so out of place and you’ve had uncle john on before but

he was the only guy who knew john’s brita so anytime i saw him i ran over to john and i know he got sick and tired of

that best part of going to the convention being part of the awt is the people that

you end up getting to know and that’s what makes it so valuable right and you experience this i’m sure now it’s hard

to walk through the trade show and actually see anything because you’re constantly stopping and talking with people that you haven’t seen for a year

which is awesome but yeah we’ve come a long way from the first conventions we went to

and i know there’s people out there listening that are experiencing the same thing and the advice that i would have

for all of you is is one you’ve got to put yourself out there if you’re not introducing yourself to other people

it’s difficult to break the ice and you’ve got to be the one to to break the ice for all the other people that

they’re getting introduced to i would encourage you to lean into that person just like bob did with me

bob i don’t know how many years we’ve known each other it’s got to be over 20. and i can’t come up with all the things

that i’ve called you about that you’ve helped me with the the things that we’ve gotten each other through because of

that initial conversation and it all starts with that initial conversation so

the first conversation is hard it is difficult when you don’t know people but that will soon end if you try to get

to know people and and because of what you did for me and you might have heard me ask people this that i meet new at

the convention i will say who’s somebody i might know that you want to meet that i can

introduce you to and i’ve connected so many people with that phrase and a couple of them have

actually written back to me on an email or given me a text or a phone call and said thank you for doing that i was able

to do this because this person was had the right answer for me or they introduced me to somebody with the right

answer so all is to say why treatment’s a lonely profession especially when

you’re the owner of that company but even if you work in it we know that we can become an island there is absolutely

no reason for us to be islands you and i are members of the rising tide mastermind we help each

other all the time by getting people further along an issue

that they’re just starting that we’ve already suffered through life’s too short to do it alone right

you know while we’re on the topic another way to get introduced to people is to if

you’re fortunate enough to get to a convention but you don’t even have to do that you can serve on a committee right

and that’s a great way to meet 10 12 20 people what the hell or maybe on committee so there are other ways to get

to know folks bob i think you have been elected you don’t know this but you have been

elected out of all the water treaters you are probably the kindest and the

person that just everybody likes nobody doesn’t like bob lee and i used to tease

you about happy gilmore and on that of course everybody loved bob barker everybody loves bob barker

but on happy gilmore the movie happy gilmore hated bob barker and it was so weird that you know he hated bob

barker so i think you’re the bob barker of water treatment really well let’s get to the bottom of

this why is that i think you’re very disarming i think

people can come up and have conversations you lean into those conversations you ask questions about

those conversations i don’t know i just uh everybody i talked to asked me why haven’t you had

bob lee on the podcast before and that’s because you’re the bob barker of water treatment

well yeah now i’m getting a big head that’s really nice to know i mean it’s pretty easy

and i don’t know if this is a smart thing to say but i never feel like i’m the smartest guy in the room everybody

is always i’m always more interested in what what they’ve got to say i think than what i think they want me to say

so um but it’s nice to know that’s nice to know i didn’t know that in the mastermind especially on the

board you would not always be the first person to talk you would always listen to other

people i had no problems being the first person to talk or talking over people that’s one of one of the things i’ve got

to work on when you were leading you did a great job with that but i always remember when it finally came your turn to speak

the way you spoke you would validate what everybody said and what you would say about the

particular issue was always a turning point it was always very profound

and it was normally a a different viewpoint that wasn’t opposing what

other people say but acknowledging that and you just brought so much calm

in a board that had a bunch of people like me into it well again when you have a lot of smart

people you need to listen well i didn’t say smart i said loud well now they were smart and loud some

of them were loud some were both you’re right yeah when you have smart people around you you should listen a lot more

than you talk and typically i’m trying to clarify make sure that i understand what

it is we’re talking about and sometimes it’s just because i’m trying to understand what the heck you guys are talking about

but building consensus is what you’re doing as a leader trying to make sure that you’ve listened to all the different viewpoints and then come to a

conclusion of what is the best direction to go the best path to take

you’re far too humble a lot of things that we do in the mastermind i share here on the scaling up h2o podcast and

something that we did was the temperament study and we learned

that we all have different temperaments and i’ve had kathleen edelman on this show twice so if you haven’t heard that

i always encourage people to go back and listen to those shows every time i talk with kathleen i learned something new

but we learned that there were different temperaments and what i just described for myself i come from a red temperament

and i speak the language of power and control and bob i think yours was the green

temperament was that right yeah i’m heavy green heavy blue actually and green speaks the language of calm

and harmony and that’s what you always brought into that situation

well who doesn’t like harmony that’s right who doesn’t like it in harmony yeah i’m not a big fan of confrontation

so yeah the blue green personality is certainly i’m all over that

bob let’s go back to something that you said in your introduction you said that you have been a water treater for nearly

40 years i’m curious what’s that like 40 years what are some of the things that you’ve

seen what are some of the do-overs that you wish you could take tell us a little bit about that 40 years

do-overs yeah there’s a few do-overs first off i can’t believe it’s 40 years

have gone by that’s unbelievable because i view everything in in lifetimes 18 years because i was like

the first 18 years was high school and you’re getting ready to go to college and then the next 18 years

you’re 36 and that goes by in a heartbeat you’ve got kids and usually we’ve been married and now i’m on my

no i’m past my third 18 years right that’d be 54. so now i’m in my fourth 18-year set it’s ridiculous but i did

have some do-overs i was thinking about this the other day it comes up all the time when i send guys out to do chemical cleanings but one of my big do-overs was

uh early on in the early mid 80s probably he’s doing a descaling job on a

condenser at a high rise it’s friday and it’s four or five o’clock in the

afternoon as always and uh for some reason you know i hooked up my hoses to the inlet and outlet on

one side of the condenser and the other side there was a vent vent valve and i for some reason left

that open and this was a heavily scaled system and i started pumping

acid through that thing and it reacted like acid does on scale and uh of course the vent valve was

aimed right at the main electrical panel for the building by the time i realized what was going on

and got over to the valve water was water gas acid foam was spewing onto that panel and flames were coming out oh

my goodness and then it then everything just went dark so i friday night i shut down the power

to a condominium fire department’s common it was a mess wow what a story i would

like to do that over again and shut that damn valve well bob i think you’ve inspired

everybody because as bad a day as somebody’s having i guarantee it wasn’t that yeah that was a bad night

what did you do i think i snuck out of there maybe they won’t notice no i hung around

got everybody around that i could and keep in mind i was 20 something years old i was

really green and scared to death and i’m sure i made some phone calls not so long ago

but i ended up leaving i don’t even know if i got a bill for it i don’t remember but it was a bad deal

so you’ve had a lot of people in your company your company’s very successful

what’s something that you make sure you do when you bring somebody new into your

company well we are looking for somebody who’s going to be a hard worker a dedicated

worker who is shares our values and is looking for a career really

what we have been successful at is that typically when somebody comes here they

maybe have bounced around had different jobs but once they start working here what typically happens is they stay we

have people here who have been here as long as 33 years a service manager has been here 33 years we’ve got 20 plus

year employees many that are 10 plus years so

i think they do and like you say it’s always it’s like the best job in the world and i think it’s a pretty damn

good one friend of show colin frain has said this and i think he’s right i’m curious what

you think they say when somebody new gets into this industry

and they make it for two years they’re in it for life yeah it’s probably true a lot of hard

things happen in the first two years what’s something you think that everybody needs to do when they’re early

on in their career that will help them set up for success i can tell you what i did even though i

kind of was raised in the business but i didn’t really know the water treatment business when i started it so

i would i would take the books you know now go book or bets that’s probably back then that’s what i would do at night i

kind of browse through the book trying to pick up on topics and now there are so many

ways to learn about your industry to learn about the job that you’re doing you just

google water treatment and there’s a lot of just free information that pops up and it’s all correct well there is that

but the point being you have to take personal initiative on your time to get better

at what you do and you’ll get more out of it it’s like anything else the more you participate the more you’re active

in something the more you get out of it the more you enjoy it and the more self-fulfillment there’s i

think a personal fulfillment factor that comes with getting better at something

whether it be sports or your job or your career but that’s kind of what we’re trying to do

here is is make this a career path for somebody as opposed to just a job until

i find something better i’ve heard people say especially the younger generation

that they’re taught or they’re expected in order to get ahead they’ve got to

move from job to job to job that’s not what you’re saying so

how does somebody that maybe in college that’s taught that you’ve got to jump around in order to improve yourself how

do you tell somebody like that that no if you stay where you are there’s a lot of good things ahead

i’m sad that that’s what they’re teaching in college i didn’t know that i don’t know that you can trace i i think

the people that succeed here with us they’re looking for stability they’re not looking to pop from one place to

another and i know they’re going to give me grief about this i don’t think it’s always

about the money necessarily i think it’s about the money’s important but it’s also

feeling like you’re part of something that’s kind of bigger than yourself and that you are

providing a value and a a service that is needed to your

customers and your clients just looking back at my own career the first two years were really hard i grew

up with my dad and i didn’t know water treatment i knew how to make this bottle

and so many drops turn one color from the original color and then i would

count how many drops and i would multiply that and i would write it down on a sheet but i really didn’t know what i was doing when i was growing up other

than that then when i started getting a little bit older when i got my license my father

started teaching me how to do some service but again i didn’t understand a lot of the why

later he did share a lot of that there was still a lot of mystery that i just had to find out on

my own he never taught me about business he didn’t he didn’t have his own business so we never had that conversation

i’m just thinking as i asked you a question i know it’s tough to answer i’m just thinking in my own career if i

didn’t stick it out in that first two years i would have not experienced all the

wonderful things that i’ve been able to in my life i wouldn’t have met all the incredible people you and i wouldn’t

have met and i just think what a shame that was and there’s so many people out there that don’t give it a chance and it is a

hard industry and it is hard to learn all that stuff and everybody’s not going to tell you everything that you need to

know but the payoff if you stick in it and you do try to learn everything and you try to

get better each and every day we have a career like yours that’s going on 40

years and just getting better brings to mind there’s a couple times when bob my

stepfather and i we would go at it because even though he was always the smartest guy in the room

he was my stepfather basically my father basically and you know you always think you’re smarter than your dad

even though you’re not so there are many times when i thought ah dude i gotta get out of here i’m gonna

find another job and i remember going through the abs looking for a different just a different

job and i’m so glad that i never pulled the trigger on that because that would have been such a

catastrophe because yeah like you say my best friends now are all people i’ve

met that are that do what i do because there’s nothing that will shut down a conversation quicker

than if somebody asked me what i do for 11. right it’s oh and off they go

so at least with my awt brethren you know we you know we have that bond we

know we know and understand what it is we do so we have developed great friendships

yeah bottom line this is a hard industry it’s a hard job but if you put into it

everything that you can it will pay itself back to you absolutely

bob over the last 40 years what are some of the changes that you’ve seen in industrial water treatment

well when i started we were still using chromatin acid so that was a major change

i will tell you the biggest change for us and i think you probably have a lot of

younger younger than me a lot of your listeners probably have grown up in a world that

there’s always been a computer but that was a huge change for us when the computers came in as far as

technology goes in spreadsheets the ability to put together a spreadsheet that allows your

uh your sales team to generate quotes and what they’re needing

that was huge for us you mentioned chromate my dad used

chromate as well he used to say that that was the best corrosion inhibitor ever it was a great biocide nothing grew

in there so he would tell me that he would look at a cooling tower system or especially

a boiler system and by how yellow it was know if there was enough treatment in it

or not and of course we didn’t have biological issues back then because nothing can grow in chrome so

the good old days right those were the good old days unless you were a fisherman which my stepfather was

and all that chrome ended up in the in the bays and killed all the grass so now it’s a good

thing it’s gone but it was an excellent treatment program i could use it in a couple places down here right now

actually i don’t remember when the movie came out i think it was late 90s erin brockovich

yeah and i remember stacy my lovely bride wanted to go see a movie and she

wanted to go to erin brockovich okay that sounded like a chick flick i did not want to go to this movie

we go to this movie and it’s all about cooling towers it was the best movie i ever saw and it was all about how the

power company was putting chrome in their cooling towers they were releasing it out and it was having some bad health

effects on a nearby town best movie ever is scaling up nation if you haven’t seen

it i’m sure you will pick up a lot from that movie and why we don’t use chrome

anymore is actually the real story behind that movie so bob i’m curious have you seen that movie

i have seen that movie several times because it’s a young julia roberts and of course you had of course the same

experience that i had they’re talking about cooling towers how cool

yeah any movie where i see the cooling towers or chillers because i think die hard

there’s a there’s some pumps lmi pumps in one of the scenes

i think it’s a lakewood controller and some lmi pumps yeah yeah and i always

mention it i don’t know why nobody really cares that i’m with oh that’s i know what that is i know what that’s

that is the best part of the die hard movie and i don’t care what anybody out there says die hard is a christmas movie

a christmas movie absolutely bob being in business for a while

what is something that you look for that there might be a potential issue

with one of your customers that maybe you’re getting ready to lose it or maybe something if it’s not corrected

could allow something else to happen for them to seek an additional water treater

how can we learn from your experiences well what i try to stress around here is

perception is reality and we’ve lost accounts

when not the guy we deal with on a regular basis but when his boss comes in from

miami or wherever and sees things that really are insignificant as

far as the actual application of the treatment program but they’re visual the labels are torn or

ripped there’s you know the tank tops have are sticky because

there was a leak and it wasn’t cleaned up light algae somewhere on the tower where it really doesn’t get enough water to

get treated properly but it’s there it’s these things that are easy for us to take care and fix

but if we don’t there are potential areas where a customer will come in and say i’m going to get somebody else

so i really try to stress to make sure all of our facilities all of our treatment programs

are organized and neat and clean because dirty system

in in some customers eyes well in most eyes it isn’t working as well

so i kind of stress that the water treatment part of it i think we’re pretty good at that

but it’s the little things it’s a little details you got to really keep an eye on because if if you’re not paying

attention to those details then in the customer’s eyes the treatment isn’t working as good as it could be or should

be that is great advice it reminds me of a story we had a property management company that we took over because they

were having some issues with another water treatment firm and they were having to clean their

chillers every single year because they just weren’t efficient they were getting scaled up now bob we have

very different water in atlanta than what you have down in florida it is very hard to scale water here in atlanta you

got to be pretty talented to do it but yet these people they did manage to do it we asked and clean the chiller and we

never had that issue again but that’s not what they noticed not at all not the

fact that they were paying less money to operate that chiller not that they didn’t have to pay

a fee to shut the chiller down and have somebody come in and clean it that was not what they noticed

they noticed one of our technicians sweeping the floor

what had happened he was doing some sampling we’ve got that flick that we do with powder pillows and occasionally

those things get away from you so he flicked a little bit too exuberantly and it went behind all of our mix tanks so

he didn’t want to leave it there and maybe he didn’t have enough for his entire route who knows but he cleaned

that area up and uh just by going for that packet he noticed that there were things that fell down

there that that weren’t his so he started cleaning that area well then he had a clean spot and it stuck out like a

sore thumb in this mechanical room and he said well heck i’ve got the broom why don’t i just sweep the entire floor

well right then the head engineer walks in sees him with a broom sees him with a

dustpan and he about falls on the floor he said i didn’t even know contractors knew how to use a broom

to this day and that had to have been at least 10 years ago to this day he still reminds me of that and we went from one

building to 14. keep your stuff clean yeah keepers definitely yeah you

mentioned the flicking of the powder pillows we just took over an account this week and as we pulled the container

out competitors container out the guys notice down at the bottom of the drum

dozens and dozens of powder pillows opened that’s where they’re tossed them

for their instead of putting it in the trash well bob we’re now to phase two of the

interview we’re about to commence the lightning round are you ready

oh my god so it’s anybody’s game at this point

uh lots of people are betting for you so there’s uh there’s an over and under going on so it’s anybody’s game right

now bob your first question if you could go back in time and talk to

yourself on your very first day that you started this job what advice would you

give yourself i was kind of puzzled on this so i asked my wife this morning on the way into

work and she said well you would use pounds instead of gallons because for our inventory i made the decision early

on to go by gallons instead of pounds well the problem is you buy everything in pounds so there’s always this

conversion to get it into the books and then you always screw up how much you’re really putting out in

the field so our inventory is always off so that’s what i would change

because other than that i was a excellent employee from day one no doubt

bob what are some of the books that you’ve read the books i’ve read or books i’ve finished now books i’ve read i got about

20 of them going at any one time because there’s this guy who’s got a podcast and kind of always promoting audible so i

have like 20 audible books now and some somewhere in between but i recently completed

the tattooist of auschwitz which turned out to be a love story and

oh i reread the lessons from the mouse which was a speaker we saw once at a

owner’s meeting somewhere and that was really good uh and procrastination on purpose

finished that and then finally finished reading um the art of war oh i sung soon

it sat on my counter for years because it’s it was thick it’s big

but it turns out it’s only like the book itself is only like 45 minutes all the rest was commentary i didn’t know that

so i put that one away finally uh so that was like the last three or four that i actually completed

when they make a movie about bob lee who do they cast

god who wouldn’t want that job right right i’ll be fighting for that one

yeah and i had time to think about this too because i knew this was going to be a question

i uh i don’t know tom hanks i remember you and i were at a board

meeting and leslie nielsen just passed away okay and you and i secretly to the

annoyance of all the other board members decided that we would make every motion as if leslie nielsen were there and we

made airplane references we made naked gun references i don’t know i could just see leslie

nielsen playing you you know what i mentioned tom hanks only because he’s

i don’t know he’s average looking but it would probably take a great actor

a thespian yes no john lovetts that might be acting brilliant

all the younger people have no idea what we’re talking about so look up was it the thespian i’m starting out live what did he call himself

master thespian brilliant brilliant brilliant i was acting

all right bob last question you now have the ability to speak with anybody throughout history who to be with and

why hey don’t you think benjamin franklin would be awesome to talk to 100

i’d be i mean i wouldn’t be talking i’d just be listening long line such a life lived right that’d be really

interesting just to just sit and listen to him hang out i think he drank so that would be good

yeah oh a story that i found somebody gave it to me it said that ben franklin

was had one of the first formal masterminds and he called it huntus and

they had it around a tavern they would drink beer and talk about issues and why that makes sense

bob thank you for coming on the show again you have meant so much to me throughout my career uh you’ve become a

great friend a great mentor and it’s just been an honor to introduce you to the scaling up podcast

trace goes both ways big admirer of you and

thank you for this opportunity and looking forward to seeing you in vancouver

nation i’ve never told bob lee that story before that i had a better experience at my first awt function

because he leaned in a little bit more he introduced me to other people

he wanted to spend time with me and that’s what i remember when i was having

such a rough time not knowing anybody i didn’t know anybody but i knew bob and then bob made sure that i knew more

people i don’t know if i would not have been president of the association of water technologies had it not been for

bob lee but i’m pretty sure that i would have had a very different outlook on

what the association of water technologies was so bob thank you so much for that i’m glad i was finally

able to tell you that i don’t know why i never told you that before and let that be a lesson to all of us

we go to events all the time and sometimes we’re very popular and other times we are just not feeling like

anybody cares that we are there nation if you can just take one person

and say hello to them and i love the question when i do this with people and if you

have met me at a convention you have probably been the recipient of this and by the way the reason i do this is to

pay it forward from what bob did for me i will introduce myself we’ll have a

conversation i’ll see if there’s anything that i can do for you but when we leave after our conversation is

complete i will ask you if there’s anybody that you want to meet that i might know

and if there is and i know them i will walk you over to that person and i will

introduce you just like bob did for me and i encourage all of you to do

something like that when we’re kind to people it’s just amazing all the great things that

happen we enjoy being there a lot better so next time you see somebody just standing

around get to know them see what you can do for them somebody that i’ve gotten to know and

somebody that does something each and every week for all of us is james

mcdonald and here is thinking on water with james [Music]

welcome to thinking on water with james the segment where we don’t give you the answers we give you the topics and

questions for you to think about drop by drop now let’s get to it

in this week’s episode we’re thinking about how polymer inhibits scale formation

is it a stoichiometric 101 relationship is it a threshold effect or something

else what are the types of polymers used for scale control and do they function differently

are some polymers better for scale forming species than others there’s a lot to learn about polymers

take this week to think about this aspect of polymers and scale inhibition be sure to follow

tow 22 and hashtag scaling up h2o share your thoughts on each week’s thinking on

water i’m james mcdonald and i look forward to learning more from you scared nation if

you have not wished me a happy birthday yet now is your opportunity go ahead

just shout it right in your car right at your speaker happy birthday

there you go i heard it thank you so much for that nation i love that you

tune in each and every week i love that we have an audience that we

call this scaling up nation i love that we one water treater at a time are

making each other better and i love that i’m gonna have a brand new episode for

you next friday and until the meantime have a great week

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that’s not a mastermind that is a master class what a mastermind is is when

like-minded people get together we process issues we form common bonds of

friendship around each other and we celebrate and push each other towards

success it is the key to so many people unlocking their potential to find out

more go to scaling up h2o.com forward slash mastermind