Scaling UP! H2O

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Welcome to Scaling UP! H2O the podcast
for water treaters by water treaters

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Where we’re Scaling UP! on knowledge so
we don’t Scaling UP! our systems

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Hi everybody Trace Blackmore here your
host for Scaling UP! H2O folks I am so

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excited to be talking to you today
because this is the first edition of our

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weekly podcast episodes so now each and
every week you can tune into Scaling UP!

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H2O and you know that you’re going to
have an episode of Scaling UP! to help

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motivate you to that next level as a
water treaty folks the only way that I

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can do that is you continue to write in
with your topics so I know what to talk

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about I’m now doing double the amount of
episodes I told you I was nervous before

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that I was going to run out of things to
talk about

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well now I’m double nervous so please
help me help you bring these episodes

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and I want to tell you about the format
that we’re doing these episodes in so

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what I’m going to do is I’m going to
split out the pinks and blues so we are

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going to have every other week I’m going
to answer questions from you this

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Scaling UP! Nation the only way that I
can do that is if you all ask me

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questions so how do you ask questions
well there are several ways to do that

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one is you can go to scalinguph2o.com
and on the right-hand side of the

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website there is an icon there that says
send voice mail you can record your

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voice asking the question you can give
your name you don’t have to give your

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name you can give your first and last
name you can just give your first name

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folks you can identify yourself however
you wish keep in mind I have a clean

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lyrics rating and I will play that
question on the air and I will answer

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your question that’s one way you can do
that maybe you don’t want to get your

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voice on the air just send me an
email by going to the same website

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scaling up h2o com and go to the show
ideas page and you can write your

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question in to me and if you don’t have
a question you have a show idea by all

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means let me know that too if you have
somebody out there you want me to

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interview let me know that information
folks I’m so excited that this show has

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meant so much to so many people out
there I have been getting so many emails

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that people have said that this show has
changed the way that they look at water

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treatment I had no idea that that would
be the result of putting a podcast on I

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of course hoped that it would be part of
the motivation but to hear that that

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it’s actually happening my gift to you
is an episode each and every week so

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folks please help me with the content so
I can bring that to you each and every

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week on today’s show we’re actually
going to talk to one of our clients now

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you might think well wait a second Trace
you’ve had water treaters on but now

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you’re actually bringing a customer on
yeah I’m bringing a customer on I want

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you to look into the mind of the people
that pay us for what we are able to do

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for them and they also have the ability
to fire us if we are not meeting those

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expectations so why not let’s have a
conversation with one of the people that

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would be using our wares and the
gentleman’s name is David Vences he is

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a property manager and he is really good
at his job he’s not only responsible for

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one building he’s responsible for eight
buildings and of course his boss is

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looking to him to make sure things stay
in budget

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they’re known unneeded repairs going on
that tenants aren’t complaining all of

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the things that the owner wants taken
care of

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that’s what David’s job is is to make
sure that owner is inconvenienced as

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little as possible and he of course has
profits at the end of the year and

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everybody’s happy it sounds simple but
of course we all know it’s not simple

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and one of the things that he has to
work with is water treatment so join me

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as I interview David Vences my lab
partner today is building engineer to

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the stars and good friend of mine David
Vince’s how are you David I’m doing

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fantastic trace how are you I am doing
great I am so excited that you were here

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of course you and I we volunteer at
Bowman together I’m sure we’ll probably

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talk about that a little bit but I know
you have started your own podcast we’re

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gonna talk about that too but I am just
so impressed with all of the things that

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you do you’re a building engineer you’re
a young building engineer and you’re

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pretty high up in the world of building
engineer so what you’re doing is very

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successful and I just think that’s
awesome so we’re gonna have a whole

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bunch of things to talk about today
around all of that but I thought we’d

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start out with a little bit about you so
why and how does somebody get in to

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building engineering well there’s a lot
of good reasons there is a lot of

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opportunity in the building engineering
field and when I got introduced to the

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building engineering field I started
thinking about the opportunities that

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that can come about building engineers
and so there’s a lot of avenues that one

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can take even if they don’t want to
continue as a building engineer because

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there’s so much to learn about in this
field whether it be electrical plumbing

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HVAC controls and stuff like that so I
told myself if I’m going to be a

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building engineer and I and I hopefully
become successful at building a building

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engineer I don’t necessarily have to
stay as a building engineer I can use

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that as a way to segue my wife myself to
you know to a different different

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particular trade like an electrician or
HVAC professional so that’s kind of what

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brought me into this field and I really
don’t want to leave it I really enjoy it

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so
came into this field if I can recap with

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an escape plan okay I’m gonna learn a
bunch of stuff about all these different

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trades that I could potentially do but
then you never left you said hey I

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really like being able to do all these
trades I don’t need to pick just one I

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can do all of them and how many years
have you been in the industry I’ve been

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in the industry for twelve years and I
started with the company called Trammell

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Crow and Trammell crow they ended up I
guess doing away with the third party

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management group and we started working
for CBRE and subsequently and of course

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CBRE is a really good company I worked
for them for a little bit however 12

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years ago I became a building engineer I
was an entry level engineer changing out

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light bulbs and doing ballasts and doing
other stuff like door hardware repairs

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and also doing some light plumbing stuff
so I really enjoyed it and I told myself

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I need to you know make sure that I
invest a little bit more in knowing what

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I do so that I can become a better
professional in this field so kind of my

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day to day type of things that that I do
now is is you know we have a lot of

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capital projects going on in our
buildings and we are at budget season so

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I’m looking for you know new new
contracts and new vendors and trying to

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understand you know what’s what’s good
out there and what’s what’s best for our

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property and currently at the site where
I work I’ve been there for a couple

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months and I’ve taken on a lot of duties
including capital projects and

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operational stuff and so we’re working
on budget season and budget season is a

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very hectic time and it’s very hard to
get get you know even a luncheon so I’ve

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been doing a lot of you know lunches
that my and my desk and and working on

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contracts and working on getting some
you vendors in and working on new

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numbers for the next year yeah it was
hard enough to get you here for this

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interview how did I manage to do that in
budget season I made it happen I made it

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happen and so I pushed aside some some
items and but this is very important and

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I and I just want to add that I enjoy
listening to your show it’s a wonderful

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show I learned a lot from it
and I’ve also learned and I don’t want

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to ruin the rest of the podcast but I’m
taking taking note of all the books that

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you bring up in those podcasts and I’m
reading every single one of them we’ve

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actually had conversations about some of
books that you’ve read so I want to ask

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you a little later in the show about
some of the books that you’re reading

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now so maybe our listeners can replenish
their supply I’m curious do you listen

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to books on audible or do you do you
read all your books that’s a good

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question
I’ve always been a you know hardcover

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book type of person and I just really
enjoyed doing that and it wasn’t until I

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started listening to your podcast that
some of the best ways to read a book is

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to listen to it so here lately I’ve been
reading or I’ve been listening to the

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audible books and so thank you oh it’s a
pleasure I am in my car and awful lot so

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the only way I can read is to do it in
my car and the Atlanta Police tend to

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frown on when you have a book on your
steering wheel so audible has has saved

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me in many ways
so David it’s its budget time and you’re

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a special engineer in my eyes because
our relationship has begun in boma and

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we’ve had a lot of conversations about
water treatment and what you expect from

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your water treater and you look at water
treatment a lot differently than most

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engineers you don’t just look at the
bottom line how much are you gonna

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charge me per month that’s how most
engineers that I’ve run across really

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evaluate water treaters but you look at
that a little bit differently you mind

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sharing to the Scaling UP! Nation how you
view water treatment absolutely I’m glad

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you’re asking me and of course one of
the things that we have to contend with

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is our budgets and so we have to be
thinking about you know quality over

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quantity and so if we’re looking at the
the quality of work and services that

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someone provides we got to make sure we
can justify that with our owners but we

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can’t just go with the lowest bidder
because if you go with the lowest bidder

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you’re gonna know what you pay for and
so water treatment is one of the things

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even in in since since I was doing water
treatment I say water training but I did

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what I could but for the most part you
know the involvement that we have as

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engineers is it’s not as much and so
we’re we’re too busy putting out fires

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doing other stuff within the building
you know doing hot cold calls you know

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doing chiller logs
doing you know some you know minor water

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treatment tests and doing a bunch of
other stuff like hardware repairs and

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and so it’s kind of hard to get into the
water treatment you know zone if you

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will and test for all the stuff that you
would normally test from a professional

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standpoint we don’t have not only the
time but we also don’t have the

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knowledge and know-how within our
organizations so we have to rely on

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companies like you to be able to educate
us and teach us what is it that we need

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to test for and is there anything that
we need to be looking out for in our

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water treatment program do most of the
engineers that are in your buildings are

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they testing for something with the
water treatment programs absolutely what

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we do is we make sure that there’s no
there’s no leaks in our systems that’s

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first and foremost you know make sure
that the tubing within the pumps are not

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leaking we check that there are drums or
if you have a dry system for our

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listeners of course you know that if you
have barrels you know you check them to

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see how how low or high they are we also
check our conductivity our inhibitor

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readings and we want to make sure that
they are within a certain range so if we

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see any kind of anomalies that’s our cue
that’s our cue to call our water

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treatment company and tell us you know
what we need to do next if our

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connectivity is too high it could be
that you know we’re not blowing down and

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that’s something that I’ve learned but
you just experience or if the

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conductivity is too low perhaps we’re
adding too much water in our system so

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this could be many variables that you
very well know trace and it’s knowing

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you know what to do next when you see
those anomalies and and one of the

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things that I like to talk about is not
only about the engineers as to you know

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what they know and what makes a good
engineer it’s not what you know that

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makes a good engineer is do you know
where to go to get that information and

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so that’s why we rely on water treatment
companies like yourself to be able to

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educate us and help us and and and we to
understand that if there isn’t a lot

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anomaly with it with our readings then
we need to let you guys know and you

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guys can help us out
yes so basically it’s a partnership you

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know we’re helping each other with
information we each have to make sure

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that the owners equipment is taken care
of it’s absolutely a partnership and

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whenever we work with companies like
water treatment companies HVAC companies

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plumbing companies we want to
that partnership we want to engage in

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that partnership and we want to make
sure that they feel as if they’re part

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of our team and we want it that that
type of relationship we mentioned owners

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briefly let’s get back to that and let’s
get back to the budget questioning

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because so many people in your position
the cheaper it is it’s got to be better

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in all water treatments the same and of
course as you said you get what you pay

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for but there’s so many engineers out
there that don’t understand that or

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their owner or their company reward them
because their budget items are lower so

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I don’t really know what question to ask
you around this but I know I’ve

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encountered this quite a bit in my
career so what advice would you give

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somebody like me who is trying to do the
right thing who is trying to bring the

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best water treatment program to that
engineer and they’re still on that

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mindset that you know I got to go with
the cheapest absolutely no way it

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definitely puts engineers in a little
bit of a pickle if you will but first I

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want to address the first question and
how is it that we can have someone like

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the water treatment company to kind of
take an interest in doing what’s right

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and you know you’re doing absolutely
everything you educate your customer you

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want to engage in that partnership you
want to tell them what kind of system

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you have where are the issues and you
want to provide some you know hard

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documentation that shows that you know
hey this is this is something we want to

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take care of but where it kind of puts
us in the pickle is where sometimes we

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do have those restraints those budget
restraints and we got to figure out I

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hate to say this but you know the lesser
of two evils you know we want to get the

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best company that we can and then we
want to hold them accountable you know

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and I hate to say accountable but you
know it’s a good word I think we need to

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talk about that absolutely but you know
it becomes very difficult because you

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have you have companies that come out
there and they just put the check in the

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box and not like you know Blackmore
Enterprise is they come in there they

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listen to you they speak to you they
know what we’re trying to achieve they

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understand that we’re trying to you know
save our pipes and save money and energy

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costs so I would say you would need to
continue doing what you

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doing and educate you know folks like
building engineers so that we are

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sharper and we have a better
understanding of our of our water

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treatment program well I appreciate that
advice something that we do try to do is

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we try to teach everybody we come in
contact with that’s either a customer of

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ours or a potential customer what to
really recognize when they see a

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complete water treatment program by
doing that our hope is that they’ll see

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what isn’t a complete water treatment
program so in fact if maybe we are more

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expensive but we’re doing 20 more things
okay well that makes sense why we would

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be more expensive if we’re going to be
on-site a lot longer well we’re gonna

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have to pay somebody to be there I don’t
know about you but I haven’t found

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people to work for my company for free
they all want to get paid so we’ve got

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to make sure that that we can afford to
do that well well I want to expand a

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little bit on that and I want to say
that you know knowing that the the

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culture of companies much like Blackmore
Enterprises you tend to have that that

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feeling that you want to educate as
whether or not you won’t we want to use

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you or not so it makes us feel good that
that you provide us with the knowledge

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and tell us this is what you have you
can use if you want but I would consider

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repairing or check-in or adjusting this
or that and that makes us feel good that

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makes us want to come back to you and
perhaps do business with you and we

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certainly appreciate that donation I
don’t want you out there listening

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thinking that this is a complete
commercial for Blackmoor enterprises

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what I’m hoping you’re getting out of
this is that David and I have a

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relationship we have a respect for each
other and it didn’t start out that way

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I’m sure you looked at me as every other
water trader that came through your door

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and because we’ve served together at the
boma committee and we’ve also worked

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together in water treatment we’ve been
able to form not only relationship but a

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partnership with that and folks that’s
what you’re hearing with this David one

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of the things that you do very well is
you track where all the money goes in

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your building you know how efficient
your systems are you know how much money

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you’re spending
on water electricity you know gallons

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you know kilowatts all that stuff and
the thing that I love is you can take

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that information and equate that back to
how efficient your systems are meaning

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is your water treatment program doing
what it’s supposed to be doing and

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obviously you can’t take one or two
readings you’ve got a trend over a

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period of time with that but because of
that have you found it’s easier to talk

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with your property manager to talk with
your building owner and say okay well

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maybe this is four times more expensive
than what we were paying for water

18:26.2

18:30.9

treatment but we’re saving ten times on
the energy is is that a technique that

18:30.9

18:37.6

you use that is a tactic that I use and
certainly and I’m I’m glad you brought

18:37.6

18:43.8

that up I do the utility reports and
what goes in the utility report is the

18:43.8

18:50.3

amount of kW that we use here in
Alpharetta Georgia and also we document

18:50.3

18:57.7

that usage and we also document the the
consumption the the cost per kW and we

18:57.7

19:02.6

put that all in a huge spreadsheet and
we present that to our ownership on a

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19:08.6

monthly basis and so whenever we have a
new program that introduces

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19:14.4

opportunities or a strategy for us to
save money and reduce that kW that

19:14.4

19:18.9

pretty much shows up on the report you
can see that there’s a reduction on

19:18.9

19:24.3

energy efficiency and there’s a
reduction in usage of kW and and of

19:24.3

19:28.6

course it makes us feel good to be able
to slide that piece of paper over to

19:28.6

19:32.1

them and tell them this is how much
money we’re saving and so whenever we

19:32.1

19:37.1

have a water treatment company that
comes in and delivers a good water

19:37.1

19:40.9

treatment program we’re able to
demonstrate to our property management

19:40.9

19:45.0

group we’re able to demonstrate to our
ownership and tell them you know we have

19:45.0

19:49.2

a good water treatment program it costs
a little bit more however we’re saving a

19:49.2

19:53.9

lot more money and we’re also protecting
our pipes and instead of you know

19:53.9

19:58.5

running four compressors on a commercial
self-contained unit on a sixty degree

19:58.5

20:03.8

day we’re running one compressor and we
don’t have to worry about the water the

20:03.8

20:06.6

water being so dirty
we have a great water treatment program

20:06.6

20:13.3

much like the chiller if the chiller is
at 50% loaded and it’s a 275 amp chiller

20:13.3

20:18.1

if it’s a clean system and it is doing
all it can at 50% then we’re doing a

20:18.1

20:23.7

good job however if it’s 70% open is the
inlet guide vanes 70% open and you’re

20:23.7

20:30.3

doing 70% of 275 amps then you’re using
up more energy to accomplish the same

20:30.3

20:34.0

job and it could say something about
your water treatment program so that’s

20:34.0

20:37.1

where we get the savings and that’s what
we turn in the report cards and that’s

20:37.1

20:39.5

what makes us feel good whenever we have
a good report card

20:39.5

20:43.9

there you go and you can say see you’re
paying me and I’m doing my job I’m

20:43.9

20:48.3

talking about you talking to the owner
now absolutely so and then I course and

20:48.3

20:55.5

say that to you
yeah so how involved do the property

20:55.5

21:02.9

manager and the owner get involved into
water treatment she looks at it or he

21:02.9

21:07.7

looks at it and and looks and it looks
at the kW looks at the the report and

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21:13.7

and tries to understand where you know
where are we going wrong or where are we

21:13.7

21:18.3

going right and they’re able to identify
that it’s on does the engineer to show

21:18.3

21:22.7

them you know graphs or show them you
know some Gantt charts or any kind of

21:22.7

21:28.4

you know data that supports that we are
saving or why we lost money early this

21:28.4

21:33.7

year around January we had a hard time
here in Atlanta we had a hard cold and

21:33.7

21:38.9

it was one that was very difficult for
property management in in the Atlanta

21:38.9

21:43.6

market to to kind of understand why we
didn’t see it coming and it was

21:43.6

21:47.7

unpredictable it got really cold it got
really cold for it does not do that here

21:47.7

21:51.4

in Atlanta very often not very much we
tell people hey you might want to

21:51.4

21:55.0

consider putting glycol and these
systems now we don’t need that I can’t

21:55.0

21:58.9

tell you how many calls we got during
that we did by any change did you guys

21:58.9

22:02.3

put that glycol in you mentioned last
summer no you didn’t approve it well we

22:02.3

22:06.4

got some busted bytes now well there you
go and you see and again

22:06.4

22:10.3

those the type of things that we need to
be able to produce through the property

22:10.3

22:14.5

management team and let them know this
is why we’re using so much energy so we

22:14.5

22:18.9

they do get involved and if you have
someone like a senior

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22:23.7

vice-president of operations getting
involved that they definitely dig into

22:23.7

22:27.5

the numbers and they want to dig into
the programs that you have in place and

22:27.5

22:32.5

they want to know who has this program
and what are they doing to make this

22:32.5

22:37.8

program better I will say that one of
the issues that I find that’s very

22:37.8

22:41.6

common amongst water treaters that I
work with is they have a great

22:41.6

22:45.7

relationship with maybe somebody like
you and the engineers that work with you

22:45.7

22:51.9

but they don’t know anybody above you
the property manager hopefully the owner

22:51.9

22:56.1

or something like that and I have found
and it’s difficult it’s really difficult

22:56.1

23:00.4

to work your way up the only way we can
do that is if you introduce us but when

23:00.4

23:06.7

they feel that they also have that
partnership now they understand things

23:06.7

23:12.7

better and my absolute favorite thing is
to looking at reports with those people

23:12.7

23:17.5

with you there of course and talking
about accomplishments that not only I

23:17.5

23:22.4

made but your teammate as well so now we
all get accolades for that and they can

23:22.4

23:26.6

see okay you know David came to me and
he convinced me to use a little bit

23:26.6

23:30.3

extra money on the water treatment
budget and now I’m actually seeing what

23:30.3

23:35.1

we’re getting for that and we never got
that before so what advice would you

23:35.1

23:39.9

give to a water treaty
wants to make sure they have not only a

23:39.9

23:44.1

relationship with the engineer with all
the boots on the ground but people that

23:44.1

23:48.0

are making other decisions as well
absolutely that’s a you know one of the

23:48.0

23:53.2

things that that we look at obviously is
how could we add value to the building

23:53.2

23:59.1

and if there was some type of you know
case study you know case studies the

23:59.1

24:03.6

shows we’ve done business and dust
doesn’t does building and this is how

24:03.6

24:07.2

much money we’ve saved them on that
because sometimes that’s usually the

24:07.2

24:11.4

driver and that’s the driver to be able
to get certain companies out there and

24:11.4

24:18.2

say hey let’s invest in a more expensive
but higher quality company out to work

24:18.2

24:22.2

at your building and you’ll see that you
know they’re gonna save you money you’re

24:22.2

24:25.4

gonna save you a lot more money than you
end up spending to begin with to get

24:25.4

24:30.4

them in on board that’s gonna drive the
operational expenses up however there’s

24:30.4

24:34.8

gonna be you know a payback on the
long haul so being able to provide some

24:34.8

24:38.1

of the some of the case study says I’ve
worked at this building over here they

24:38.1

24:41.7

were ok with me sharing this program and
they’re okay with me sharing this case

24:41.7

24:45.4

study and this is the kind of program
they had at one time and this is what I

24:45.4

24:49.4

was able to do to save their money and
and that right there makes us feel good

24:49.4

24:53.9

makes us feel like well you guys
invested in understanding documenting

24:53.9

24:58.1

and being able to provide some data to
say we can save you money and this is

24:58.1

25:02.0

how we’re gonna do it and so that that
would be something that would reach out

25:02.0

25:05.9

to our property management so if you
provide us with that kind of information

25:05.9

25:09.1

we can supply that over to them and say
we know a good company that can take

25:09.1

25:13.3

care of us you know that’s great advice
let’s talk about documentation in

25:13.3

25:17.7

reporting one of my pet peeves and you
listen to the show you know this is

25:17.7

25:22.5

sorry water treatment reports and folks
out there I know you’ve seen them I hope

25:22.5

25:27.1

you’re not a culprit of writing them but
there are a lot of water treatment

25:27.1

25:31.9

reports out there that are not worth the
email they’re sent on or the paper that

25:31.9

25:35.4

they’re written on and if all they’re
doing is patting a file they’re no good

25:35.4

25:43.1

so I want to ask you what advice from
the building engineer perspective can

25:43.1

25:47.9

you give to the Scaling UP! Nation what
do you want to see on a service report

25:47.9

25:52.8

let me start by saying what I don’t want
to see on the surface let’s go there

25:52.8

25:59.1

first well you know it’s it’s much like
our work order systems and the fear for

25:59.1

26:03.7

the building engineers out there who are
listening we get a work order it’s too

26:03.7

26:09.6

hot or too cold or something like we got
a light out and the comments at the end

26:09.6

26:13.1

is whenever we close out the work order
and this is what they could be the

26:13.1

26:18.4

customer sees or the tenant sees is a
closing comment that says found this did

26:18.4

26:24.1

this and everything’s good or something
to that effect however what I don’t like

26:24.1

26:29.4

to see in some of those reports is that
took care of it or done or did it or

26:29.4

26:34.5

complete you know checked all is good
you know just having those small one

26:34.5

26:39.1

time you know comments like that it’s
always a bad impression on the person

26:39.1

26:43.2

who’s reading it so what I want to see
in those reports is details

26:43.2

26:46.1

detailed information of what was found
what

26:46.1

26:51.0

and how he left it and of course if it’s
you know perform monthly tests something

26:51.0

26:55.1

like that that’s something like
something I could have done you know and

26:55.1

26:59.6

so it it much like you said that is a
kind of poor way to kind of show your

26:59.6

27:04.0

customer that you know I came in here
and I checked the box and so that’s

27:04.0

27:07.2

that’s something we to see because we
feel like we’re not appreciated as much

27:07.2

27:12.9

so check in the box is good but checking
the box and also having you know the

27:12.9

27:17.2

full details of what you’ve done on the
report helps us understand water

27:17.2

27:22.1

treatment a lot better – I love that
answer because I think you’ve shifted

27:22.1

27:27.8

the paradigms of every member out there
in the Scaling UP! Nation we’re now a

27:27.8

27:34.8

poor report shows that they don’t care
as much about you it’s a respect thing

27:34.8

27:40.1

not I’m really hurried and I got to get
to my next account and I want to write

27:40.1

27:44.6

this as quickly as possible so folks I
hope you heard that when I asked that

27:44.6

27:48.6

question I wasn’t expecting that answer
but I’m glad I do good service reports

27:48.6

27:51.9

and hopefully you think I do good
service or absolutely but I’ve never

27:51.9

27:57.0

looked at it as a respect issue so
that’s wow that’s huge so we mentioned

27:57.0

28:02.6

how important the reports are how
important is it for the water treater to

28:02.6

28:07.5

sit down and spend some time not only
explaining the report to you but also

28:07.5

28:12.4

explaining what they’re doing and where
they’re going it’s always fascinated me

28:12.4

28:17.5

you know I took care of swimming pools
when I entered the maintenance field of

28:17.5

28:23.1

the maintenance room about 16 17 years
ago and I was a josé’s cement pool a

28:23.1

28:28.2

pool boy if you will and so I would
check the chlorine and I would also

28:28.2

28:32.8

check the clinic al see’em and so on and
so forth and whenever the the pool guy

28:32.8

28:37.4

the the the professional came out there
into his monthly quarterly inspections I

28:37.4

28:41.5

would hang out with him and I would soak
up as much information as I could

28:41.5

28:46.4

because there were some areas that I had
some concerns in so it’s important for

28:46.4

28:50.7

that water treatment got to come and
have that conversation with the engineer

28:50.7

28:54.9

because we want to make sure that we’re
learning something from YouTube because

28:54.9

28:59.2

it’s a partnership like we talked it’s a
partnership to be able to educate you

28:59.2

29:02.1

know
and also for us to be able to you know

29:02.1

29:07.1

report anything that we find that’s
that’s that needs to be reported great

29:07.1

29:10.1

advice
what do water treaters do that you just

29:10.1

29:15.6

wish they’d stopped doing uh he just
pulled out a list folks hang on how much

29:15.6

29:22.0

time do you have
what do water treaters do that that we

29:22.0

29:26.4

don’t like to you know don’t like well
you mentioned one that’s that’s having

29:26.4

29:31.5

that small report having the one liner
report came here did that took care of

29:31.5

29:34.3

this and that
another thing is not fulfilling their

29:34.3

29:38.6

their promises if they say that they’re
gonna bring in some equipment and

29:38.6

29:42.3

they’re gonna do this and they’re gonna
do that that speaks volumes because you

29:42.3

29:46.3

know after the second and third time you
know like they say I’m gonna bring you

29:46.3

29:49.5

some dip slides so you can do a monthly
dip slide or we’re gonna bring you some

29:49.5

29:52.9

more test equipment the next month and
then all of a sudden you got to three

29:52.9

29:56.5

months without us being able to you know
do the testing without the proper tools

29:56.5

30:01.4

and supplies so I would say that if
you’re gonna say you’re gonna bring

30:01.4

30:05.7

something or you’re gonna do something
for us do it because that’s the second

30:05.7

30:09.6

and third time we’ve already lost
interest in you already and so we just

30:09.6

30:13.6

we just we’ll just have some kind of
work working relationship and that’s it

30:13.6

30:18.0

you know yeah not only interest but I
bet trust as well it trust absolutely I

30:18.0

30:22.4

couldn’t find the word but yes trust we
lost trust yeah and it’s a lot easier to

30:22.4

30:28.8

give trust it’s sometimes impossible to
ever earn it back agreed agreed

30:28.8

30:32.2

let’s talk a little bit about boma
because that’s where you and I have met

30:32.2

30:38.7

boma is building owners and managers
association and it is where people that

30:38.7

30:42.8

owned commercial buildings get together
and they make their buildings better by

30:42.8

30:47.1

working together how how would you
explain what boma is because you’re

30:47.1

30:53.6

higher up in the boma echelon than I am
well I’ve been two years the boma BTO

30:53.6

30:59.7

chair here in Atlanta and it’s a great
privilege to be able to get involved and

30:59.7

31:05.1

be able to work with committees and
provide educational opportunities for

31:05.1

31:10.9

engineers in this field so boma is a
very good organization to be able to you

31:10.9

31:15.3

know know everything building
being you know again like a water

31:15.3

31:20.3

treatment company you can network with
HVAC companies you can network with you

31:20.3

31:24.8

know plumbing company so it’s a good way
to network and and the one thing that I

31:24.8

31:28.7

like about boma is the the members do
not look at each other like you know

31:28.7

31:32.3

competition there’s a competition over
here and we gotta know what they’re

31:32.3

31:35.3

doing they get I watched in there
they’re more engaged with this or the

31:35.3

31:38.7

other they’re more involved with with
being able to have that network have

31:38.7

31:42.4

that connection within the Blauman
ization and so it’s a good opportunity

31:42.4

31:46.3

to put yourself out there it’s a good
opportunity for you to get involved in

31:46.3

31:50.9

community service or get involved with
the technical organization you know

31:50.9

31:54.2

which I’m involved in and getting
involved with understanding different

31:54.2

31:57.7

committees so they’ve got quite a few
committees and it’s actually helped me

31:57.7

32:03.0

develop myself develop myself a little
bit more professionally so I I’m very

32:03.0

32:07.3

thankful for bomo and and for helping me
build my career so it’s a career builder

32:07.3

32:12.5

also well there you go and I would say
it would be very hard to find any

32:12.5

32:16.9

engineer in Atlanta that doesn’t know
your name is that because of boma

32:16.9

32:22.2

well that would say that’s that’s one of
the reasons and you know I would credit

32:22.2

32:28.0

boma as as one of the main reasons why
so absolutely and then and of course we

32:28.0

32:33.4

all work in a very close the the the
engineers in this in this business as

32:33.4

32:37.8

you’ve probably heard many times it’s a
very small network and it’s

32:37.8

32:42.3

organizations like boma this has allowed
me to kind of be known a little bit if

32:42.3

32:47.2

you will so I know quite a few people
out there in in boma and they talk about

32:47.2

32:50.7

you know key players that they’ve been
in this industry for as long as they

32:50.7

32:55.7

have so absolutely well I am pleased to
serve as your vice chair on the

32:55.7

33:00.2

committee that you’re chairing this year
and I was told that I was the first

33:00.2

33:07.2

vendor to actually do that is that true
well I think you are one of the second

33:07.2

33:12.6

ones and that thing there was a first
one I want to verify that but but you

33:12.6

33:16.6

know you you are one of the first in the
law right well I’ll take that

33:16.6

33:22.0

so I thought it was a wonderful idea I
thought it was perfect I thought it was

33:22.0

33:26.6

spot-on and you have an infectious
attitude about you you’re very positive

33:26.6

33:30.7

you’ve done a lot with boma
and people respect you in this industry

33:30.7

33:33.8

people respect you in the Bowman
industry and that’s reason why I think

33:33.8

33:39.6

you know though it’s unorthodox to have
a vendor on the technical organization

33:39.6

33:43.7

because it’s it’s a for the engineer by
the engineer type of organization but

33:43.7

33:48.7

you understand us that well that they
wanted you to be a vice chair and that’s

33:48.7

33:53.0

the reason why I think made the heat
just the biggest impact on that decision

33:53.0

33:56.2

I’ve really enjoyed it
you know you and I’ve gotten closer from

33:56.2

33:59.9

that and it’s a great honor I’m gonna
share my secret with you and and

33:59.9

34:03.6

everybody else a lot of people would
join an organization like boma so I

34:03.6

34:08.7

could sell to you and that’s what most
people join trade organizations for you

34:08.7

34:13.5

know I’m a vendor I’ve got wares who can
I sell them to oh well this is a whole

34:13.5

34:16.9

group of people that I can sell that to
and I think that’s where most people

34:16.9

34:20.8

make their mistake
where I go into Balma or if mo or any

34:20.8

34:27.1

other organizations that were a member
of I go to give I go to educate I go to

34:27.1

34:32.0

find out what I don’t know what I can
help people with based on what I do know

34:32.0

34:35.9

and I like to give presentations and
various things so now I’m giving away

34:35.9

34:40.4

all my secrets to all my competitors but
it’s that giving attitude not that

34:40.4

34:45.4

getting attitude that I would like to
say that’s why somebody asked me to step

34:45.4

34:49.3

up and be your vice chair absolutely you
know let me expand on it a little bit

34:49.3

34:54.5

agree a hundred percent if you are
looking to join an organization much

34:54.5

35:00.4

like boma and you’re doing it just to
get as you mentioned then you’re doing

35:00.4

35:04.7

it for the wrong reasons and so in first
think about why you’re doing it and if

35:04.7

35:07.5

it’s because you want to develop you
know your career you want to develop

35:07.5

35:11.5

professionally and that’s that’s one of
the main reasons why people do it

35:11.5

35:15.3

because they want to do that and so they
want to they want to volunteer their

35:15.3

35:20.1

time and and also they want to network
with different folks and subsequently

35:20.1

35:23.9

sometimes it just happens naturally
organically you end up getting business

35:23.9

35:26.4

through folks and and that’s that’s
awesome

35:26.4

35:29.7

you know that’s a synergetic
opportunities that you get

35:29.7

35:34.8

exactly exactly well you know what great
advice we’re giving to all those people

35:34.8

35:37.8

out there in the Scaling UP! Nation well
let’s give a little bit more advice and

35:37.8

35:44.2

then we’ll turn our focus on to your
podcast so there’s a water treaty

35:44.2

35:51.0

out there listening what is the one
thing you want them to get from this

35:51.0

35:57.0

interview well I would like for them to
obviously invest in and have that

35:57.0

36:00.2

partnership you know much like this what
we’re talking about have that

36:00.2

36:04.8

partnership with that with that to
engineer be able to provide details on

36:04.8

36:08.9

your reports be able to provide full
details on your ports not just click

36:08.9

36:13.7

one-liners and also you know what else
can I help you with is there anything

36:13.7

36:18.0

else that you need is there anything
that any of resources that I can help

36:18.0

36:22.3

you with and of course if they don’t
have the answer it’s okay to say I don’t

36:22.3

36:26.5

have the answer it’s much better to hear
that because that kind of you know

36:26.5

36:31.1

allows us to say hey you know can you
get the answer for somewhere else or can

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36:34.7

you can you find someone who knows about
it and then I think that’s where you

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36:38.8

build that trust when he says he or she
says I don’t have that answer but I’m

36:38.8

36:42.8

gonna get it for you and they deliver
and that develops that trust so that’s

36:42.8

36:46.9

what I would like to look into when I
think about how I can develop that

36:46.9

36:51.3

working relationship with a
water-treatment guy so same question but

36:51.3

36:56.4

now we’re talking about fellow building
engineers what’s the one thing that you

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37:01.6

want building engineers to get out of
this conversation absolutely again it’s

37:01.6

37:07.0

about checking the box and and of course
or not just checking the box whenever

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37:10.6

we’re doing water treatment readings
whenever we’re doing connectivity

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37:14.6

readings whenever we’re doing our tests
let’s make sure that we’re not just

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37:18.3

writing down a number let’s not just
writing down a number let’s understand

37:18.3

37:22.1

what that number represents let’s
understand what their mins and maxes are

37:22.1

37:26.5

and let’s ask questions that’s not just
going the plan and and just write down a

37:26.5

37:30.1

number because what will end up
happening is someone will find that

37:30.1

37:34.7

number to be an anomaly and and then
they’ll ask you know did you not realize

37:34.7

37:37.1

that that number was too high or was too
low

37:37.1

37:41.0

how long has that been like that and
you’ll start noticing trays that

37:41.0

37:43.9

sometimes you’ll have that you know
I’m just gonna throw some numbers out

37:43.9

37:48.0

there if you have a conductivity of 800
900 and it keeps going up and keeps

37:48.0

37:53.1

going up to like you know to 2020 200
and then II started realizing what’s

37:53.1

37:57.0

going on here and it’s been documented
ok would check the box we’d been

37:57.0

38:01.5

documenting it for about a month or two
months but it’s like who’s missing this

38:01.5

38:05.2

why aren’t you you know raising your
hand why aren’t you that your water

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38:09.2

treatment company know so pay attention
to detail it’s mainly what I would

38:09.2

38:14.9

advise the engineers so now let’s switch
gears a little bit you came to me we

38:14.9

38:18.0

went to lunch and we were talking about
podcast you know I think the

38:18.0

38:20.7

conversation pretty much went with you
saying

38:20.7

38:24.6

well Tracy you have a podcast so that
proves any idiot can get on the air and

38:24.6

38:29.5

have a podcast so I’m gonna do that –
yeah absolutely

38:29.5

38:32.7

well you’re supposed to say no no that’s
how I go you have the most awesome

38:32.7

38:39.8

podcast ever and I want to have a cool
podcast ya know that that’s very similar

38:39.8

38:44.6

well I you know if you remember Trace
one of the reasons why I kind of wanted

38:44.6

38:49.4

to know you a little bit better is
because it kind of started off with hey

38:49.4

38:52.9

trace we already have a water treatment
company and I know we want to go to

38:52.9

38:55.6

lunch and I want to know a little bit
about you because you are my vice chair

38:55.6

39:00.1

and also I like to know more about
Scaling UP! a podcast that you have and

39:00.1

39:06.0

of course I remember I recall bringing
up it Tracy you’re just a little too

39:06.0

39:09.3

expensive and that’s why we can’t use
you guys and then you start talking and

39:09.3

39:12.3

get into the details well you know let
me tell you what you would be paying for

39:12.3

39:16.2

and let me give you the quality of work
that we provide and so that kind of that

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39:19.6

kind of set me you know when I went back
to the office I really sat there and

39:19.6

39:23.8

thought about it for a little bit and it
made me feel you know again like I had

39:23.8

39:27.1

that we had that trust like wow he’s
giving me the tools he’s giving me the

39:27.1

39:30.8

knowledge and he’s telling me that you
don’t have to use me if you don’t want

39:30.8

39:34.8

to but I want to tell you what what you
should be looking out for so I certainly

39:34.8

39:38.3

appreciate that and of course you know
we talked about the podcast that you

39:38.3

39:42.9

have Scaling UP! and Scaling UP! is an
awesome podcast I’m glad I’m on it

39:42.9

39:45.9

I’m glad I mean this is cool I can’t
wait to share it with my friends and

39:45.9

39:49.8

telling me I’m all Scaling UP! next
I’m on Scaling UP! but then we started

39:49.8

39:54.4

talking about the the podcast and your
podcast and I took an interest in it and

39:54.4

39:58.6

then you asked me don’t listen to the
first one that did nobody listened to

39:58.6

40:03.7

the first one anyways and so I started
listening to a start bench listening to

40:03.7

40:08.6

it and before you know it I was in my
driveway at home you know for thirty

40:08.6

40:12.6

minutes later my wife’s asking me are
you in the truck outside yeah what are

40:12.6

40:15.6

you doing I’m listening to the podcast I
got to finish this place was a good one

40:15.6

40:19.5

and they’re all good ones you know and
this hat this was the trend for you know

40:19.5

40:24.2

a couple weeks until I gotten caught up
to episode 46 and then of course you

40:24.2

40:28.0

encouraged me to start the podcast you
said man you should do a podcast because

40:28.0

40:32.4

you have a wealth of knowledge and some
stuff like that so I thought that was

40:32.4

40:35.0

pretty cool I thought it was pretty
interesting that you would think that

40:35.0

40:38.8

someone like me would be able to have a
podcast and Here I am I have a podcast

40:38.8

40:42.9

called new generation engineering and
it’s a podcast for engineers to help us

40:42.9

40:47.0

stay sharp and stay current on new
technologies and so the new generation

40:47.0

40:52.0

engineering is also to educate our
current engineers but also understand

40:52.0

40:56.9

where we are where we were and how we’re
gonna get there so the engineering field

40:56.9

41:02.2

has changed a lot and I can expand on
this a lot but I met a guy that has been

41:02.2

41:06.3

in the engineering field for 40 years
and I’m just curious like what has

41:06.3

41:09.5

changed I know a lot of stuff has
changed but I like to talk to you for a

41:09.5

41:12.8

little bit and understand how things
have changed but we are evolved in

41:12.8

41:16.0

engineering has it has evolved and we’ve
been doing a lot of things differently

41:16.0

41:20.6

that we don’t normally would have done
you know 40 years ago so of course your

41:20.6

41:25.7

podcast is available on all the major
platforms iTunes stitcher Google

41:25.7

41:30.3

podcasts Spotify whatever all the other
ones out there there absolutely no but

41:30.3

41:34.6

yeah an apple podcast Google podcast
stitcher and you know everything you

41:34.6

41:39.4

mentioned and just search new generation
engineering you’ll see me in my art

41:39.4

41:44.2

flash suits and I was actually doing the
automatic transfer switch not repaired

41:44.2

41:48.7

but I was doing a just a quick check and
I had to have the the full arc flash

41:48.7

41:52.7

protection on me and I had the face mask
so that’s actually a picture of me if

41:52.7

41:57.6

you search a new generation engineering
and in one of those podcast platforms

41:57.6

42:02.9

well I cannot wait to catch
shop on some of your episodes and I hear

42:02.9

42:05.9

you got some wonderful guests on there
there’s one guy that comes on for water

42:05.9

42:09.1

treatment I don’t know what number that
is but I’m sure that that’s just an

42:09.1

42:14.9

awesome yeah you wanna nation you want
to take that way so I’ve got a couple

42:14.9

42:18.9

more questions we’re kind of done with
the building engineering side so now

42:18.9

42:22.5

I’ve got some lightning round questions
for you if you think you’re ready for

42:22.5

42:27.1

those well I’m as ready as can be all
right of course the lightning round

42:27.1

42:30.8

questions these are similar questions
that I asked all my guests and then our

42:30.8

42:36.1

home players can bed at home and see how
well they do so you can go back in time

42:36.1

42:39.9

getting the Delory and you can see we’re
in my office you can see the DeLorean

42:39.9

42:44.9

sitting over there so we’re gonna set
the time circuits back to your first day

42:44.9

42:50.5

as a building engineer you get out you
see yourself getting out of your car

42:50.5

42:54.3

getting ready to go to the job on the
very first day what advice do you give

42:54.3

42:58.8

education get more education get more
involved put yourself out there

42:58.8

43:04.3

understand your business if you’re gonna
invest in a certain business understand

43:04.3

43:08.5

it fully in and out understand the
ownership get some more knowledge

43:08.5

43:12.6

because that’s going to accelerate your
career if you want it to be a career but

43:12.6

43:16.6

if you want it to be a job then then you
know you obviously have a job but if

43:16.6

43:20.0

it’s a career that you’re trying to
build educate yourself

43:20.0

43:25.0

locate local organizations or you know
look for local schools that they can

43:25.0

43:28.9

educate you and in what you’re doing and
that’s how you’re gonna succeed in your

43:28.9

43:33.0

in your career great advice I know
you’re a big reader you told the entire

43:33.0

43:37.2

Scaling UP! Nation you’re a big reader
what are the last books that you’ve read

43:37.2

43:41.5

last books well I’ve read the seven
Habits of Highly Effective People that

43:41.5

43:44.8

was a wonderful book and how did you
hear about the seven Habits of Highly

43:44.8

43:48.7

Effective People right here on
Scaling UP!  Nation right here on this and

43:48.7

43:54.9

your podcast and of course I also read
the five dysfunctions of a team and that

43:54.9

43:59.3

is also something that I’m working on
with my team and we’re starting at the

43:59.3

44:03.4

bottom of the pyramid and and starting
to develop as a team and get better and

44:03.4

44:07.9

having that ability to be an effective
team so and I heard it right here on

44:07.9

44:12.6

this podcast awesome well there you go
there you go so I know you you’ve got a

44:12.6

44:16.3

big library books you want to read
what’s the next book you want to read

44:16.3

44:20.7

the book I’ve been trying to get some
more suggestions and I’m waiting to hear

44:20.7

44:23.8

your next episode so that I can figure
out which book I’m gonna read next

44:23.8

44:27.2

alright we you’ll have to wait so don’t
have my list in front of me so I can’t I

44:27.2

44:30.4

can’t remember what they are but I do
keep those updated on my show notes

44:30.4

44:35.3

pages so if you ever if you ever need to
find one of the books that you’re

44:35.3

44:38.2

looking for or you want to find out what
your next read needs to be go to

44:38.2

44:42.1

scalinguph2o.com and you of course
can look at any of the episodes there

44:42.1

44:47.4

now and in one of the books that I just
kind of cranked open today is the 12

44:47.4

44:52.3

irrefutable attributes of of a leader
and now I have to figure out what’s it

44:52.3

44:55.4

what’s it called I just literally
cracked it open today it’s a John

44:55.4

45:00.2

Maxwell book and it has some input from
Steve Coby okay so some seven Habits

45:00.2

45:05.6

stuff interlaced within there absolutely
well David with the career like yours

45:05.6

45:11.6

with a life like yours family life all
that stuff eventually Hollywood is gonna

45:11.6

45:18.9

find out about you and they’re gonna
make a movie who plays you well geez

45:18.9

45:23.2

well it had to be between and I’m sure
you’ve heard you know you would probably

45:23.2

45:27.6

be a good Tom Hanks of course I I keep
hearing that people say I sound like Tom

45:27.6

45:31.3

Hanks I think they’re nuts just a little
bit just a little bit and I would have

45:31.3

45:33.6

to say that my thought process is a
little bit like

45:33.6

45:38.0

Tom Hanks and the way you know we I
perceived Tom Hanks to think like but if

45:38.0

45:43.9

somebody were to play me possibly Jim
Carrey all right Jim Carrey is he’s a

45:43.9

45:48.7

there’s there’s different movies that he
makes and and you know when I watched

45:48.7

45:53.4

cable guy I saw a little bit of me in
his character I was going to ask him or

45:53.4

45:59.2

Jim Carrey as pet detective or more Jim
Carrey as Truman Show that’s a good

45:59.2

46:06.2

question too well it would be more like
pet detective all right my final

46:06.2

46:10.6

question you can now talk to anybody
throughout history who would it be with

46:10.6

46:16.9

and why well it would be my grandmother
my grandmother was a strong spiritual

46:16.9

46:22.8

influence in my life and if I can spend
more time with her and ask her some of

46:22.8

46:26.5

the questions you know and we don’t
think about this you know until you know

46:26.5

46:31.5

someone passes my grandmother passed
away and that she lived a very happy 86

46:31.5

46:36.5

years and I wish I had more time to
spend with her and talk to her and

46:36.5

46:41.9

understand a little bit more about our
faith so she was very strong and also

46:41.9

46:45.9

very spiritual and it was she was a huge
influence on me so I would definitely

46:45.9

46:50.5

like to spend more time with her David I
think you have been a huge influence on

46:50.5

46:54.8

the Scaling UP!  Nation today so I really
want to thank you for coming on sharing

46:54.8

46:59.4

your insights and I think this interview
is definitely going to make the water

46:59.4

47:03.8

treatment industry just a little bit
better wonderful I appreciate it I’m

47:03.8

47:08.8

glad I’m on your show and I thank you
very much for inviting me one nation as

47:08.8

47:14.2

I said within the interview it kind of
sounded like a commercial for my company

47:14.2

47:19.8

at first but I want you to realize what
you were hearing David did not know me

47:19.8

47:25.4

or anybody else from my company before
we started working together and just

47:25.4

47:30.9

like most everybody else out there that
needs water treatment they’re suspicious

47:30.9

47:36.9

of other water treaters have you ever
run into that the reason for that is

47:36.9

47:44.2

there’s a whole bunch of misinformation
out there about what we water treatment

47:44.2

47:49.1

professionals do
and how we do it and sometimes we even

47:49.1

47:56.7

mislead the customer to what it is we
can or can’t do if you can make one

47:56.7

48:03.1

change in what you’re doing right now
make sure that every relationship you

48:03.1

48:10.5

start is on real expectations and talk
about what the expectations are if a

48:10.5

48:15.6

customer wants you to look at something
because there is a perceived problem and

48:15.6

48:22.0

you go and examine it and it’s not a
real problem let them know that I know

48:22.0

48:26.2

it seems like okay their hot button is
this problem that’s not really a real

48:26.2

48:31.9

issue and if I keep going down this road
I’m gonna get the business but trust me

48:31.9

48:37.9

it’s not going to be good business
because you did not get it in a good way

48:37.9

48:45.8

make sure your customer can trust you
because you are trustworthy and that’s

48:45.8

48:51.1

what you heard in this interview we
started our relationship in the exact

48:51.1

48:58.3

way that I just described and then day
after day month after month year after

48:58.3

49:02.4

year
we kept fulfilling each other’s

49:02.4

49:10.6

expectations and our relationship grew I
ate at him on what a water-treatment

49:10.6

49:17.9

program should do where he educated me
on what his building needs to do and how

49:17.9

49:24.4

he’s keeping track of that I’m able to
give him information so he can go to his

49:24.4

49:30.8

boss and say that he’s doing a good job
based on what my company’s doing and I’m

49:30.8

49:37.2

able to use him as a reference because
of that folks if you do not have a

49:37.2

49:43.3

relationship like that with every single
one of your customers you’re doing

49:43.3

49:49.9

something wrong there’s nothing out of
the ordinary about that relationship

49:49.9

49:57.3

other than the fact that we both made
sure we understood where each other was

49:57.3

50:03.3

coming from so the next time you’re in a
rush to get in and out of that

50:03.3

50:09.9

mechanical room remember if you don’t
talk to that customer and make sure that

50:09.9

50:16.8

they understood what it is that you just
did and the value that you did because

50:16.8

50:22.2

you were there you should not have even
got out of the car because you did not

50:22.2

50:27.8

do what you were supposed to do on that
service visit I don’t know how else to

50:27.8

50:33.0

say it well folks as you know each and
every week is going to be a new

50:33.0

50:38.7

installment of Scaling UP! H2O so next
week we’re going to have an installment

50:38.7

50:44.4

of just questions so this is you in the
Scaling UP! Nation asking me Trace

50:44.4

50:50.0

Blackmore podcast host questions that
you have and we’re going to get those

50:50.0

50:55.9

answered for you and I sure appreciate
you listening to Scaling UP! H2O and I’ll

50:55.9

51:01.2

talk to you next week

 

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