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welcome to scaling up h2o the podcast
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not scale up our systems nation
you’ve got tres Blackmore here the host
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of scaling up and nation I just have so
many things to talk about this week I
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can’t believe that next week I will be
in Seattle Washington for technical
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training that’s what the association of
water technologies the technical
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training is one of the teaching events
that I look forward to so much each and
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every year so I hope you have signed up
for either next week February 26 through
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29th and Seattle Washington or the
Cleveland Ohio version which will be
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March 18th through 21st if you want to
learn more information you can go to a
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and it will tell you everything you need
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to know and you can get signed up there
now if you do attend that and you listen
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to the show please seek me out let me
know that you listen to the show and if
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you have any ideas for me you know I
love that so please tell me that too now
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there’s no doubt about it I speak a lot
about the Association of Water
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Technologies and a lot of people think
that’s the only organization that I am a
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member of well that is not true and
you’ve heard me broadcast from several
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organizations so that’s what I am doing
today I am trying to let the scaling up
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nation know more information about
organizations that are water related and
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today we are going to interview Jim the
Sommerfeld of DuPont and Jay Harwood of
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Suez now Jim is the general chair of the
international water conference and Jay
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is the technical chair so these guys
know what is going on in the
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international water conference and just
like you I had questions about the IWC
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you see they’re part of another
organization so if you go
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on their website you might even think
that you were at the wrong place so we
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talked about all of that how they got
started they’ve been doing this well Jim
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and Jay haven’t but the IWC has been
around for over 80 years so we’re going
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to talk all about that you’re gonna
learn so much about the international
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water conference I’m sure it is going to
whet your appetite to learn even more
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and maybe even go to the IWC this year
so without any further ado and I’ve
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always wondered what a do is but we
don’t need any more of it please help me
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welcome Jim Sommerfeld and Jay Harwood
as we talk all things international
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water conference I’m at the IWC
Convention and I’ve got Jim a Sommerfeld
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of DuPont who is the general chair of
the IWC and Jay Harwood of Suez who’s
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the technical chair gentleman thank you
so much for joining me today thanks for
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thanks for asking us to be here today
Thank You Tracy my pleasure oh I know a
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lot of people in the scaling-up nation
are curious what is IWC we’re gonna talk
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a lot about that today we’re going to
talk about the IWC conference why people
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need to be here attending it but I’m
curious what about you guys so tell us a
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little bit about yourselves and and what
you do I’m a commercial manager for Suez
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I’ve been coming to the IWC now for I
think this will be my 13th year going
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into for 2020 as the technical chair
this year I’m basically responsible for
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bringing together our papers bringing
together our Technical Program so that
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we have a comprehensive exciting and
inquisitive program going into next year
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right so the bulk of the IWC is really
around the technical program itself so
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being able to have a strong technical
program that is not repetitive that’s
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interesting enough that’s innovative
enough and that’s relevant in terms of
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timing and attractiveness to the market
in order for people to want to come and
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see this and want to hear the
information and want to see the
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innovation that’s critical for us so
that’s my responsibility next year which
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is a very big responsibility but I look
forward to it and what do you do on a
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day to day
basis I do a combination of risk
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management and bid management for Suez
for our large projects so I look after
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our more higher profile projects
projects where we do design build design
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build operate design build finance those
are the projects I tend to get involved
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with the look at from a risk mitigation
and a project structuring perspective
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well excellent
so Jim what about you I am the North
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American commercial manager for DuPont
water solutions I have eleven people
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that report to me eleven sales people
that report to me across North America
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including Canada and my day-to-day
responsibilities obviously as a Sales
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Leader is to ensure the health and of
our business from a sales perspective my
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role as general chair this coming years
is an interesting role because I get to
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have a seat at all of the different
aspects of what we do at the IWC from
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the technical chair to the workshops to
our marketing program and how we reach
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out to to the industry and how we
interface with the industry so I’m
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really excited about being being in that
role here coming up and it’s an
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opportunity to get more involved in a
bunch of different aspects of the
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international water conference and how
we promote it and how we continue to be
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successful from year to year well thank
you both for being here I know the
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nation has a lot of questions about the
international water conference I’m
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hoping that we are going to clear that
up today so let’s just start with that
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what is the IWC the international water
conference this year is in its 80th year
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of existence and was brought together by
a bunch of industry professionals that
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had something in common and that was
their love of water treatment
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understanding the generational
technology movement and expansion of
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different technologies into removal of
of ions and contaminants in water and
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how to produce pure water and in what
types of technologies were more
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efficient than others and things like
that
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it was also involved back in the day
very heavily involved in cooling tower
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treatment it was a place where people
went and learned about how to control
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their their cooling tower water for for
Legionnaires and corrosion and other
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microbial control and over the years
it’s evolved into and we’ve
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to evolve over the years into whatever
the next emerging topics happened to be
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and so for this year for example in the
last several years
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concentrate management wastewater
reclamation water conservation things
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like selenium Pia Foss mercury very
specific things that that are now part
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of the the lexicon in this industry that
weren’t you know maybe even 10 or 15
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years ago and we’re seeing new markets
such as Jim said beef us we’ve got F
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alimentation guidelines for the power
industry that the power industry has
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been facing and figured trying to figure
out how to solve for in the last several
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years sustainability and reuse
alternative sources of feed water you
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know as Jim said originally there’s a
lot of cooling tower discussion and
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boiler feed and condensate polishing and
that was the bulk of this conference and
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now it really has evolved to cover
virtually every aspect of heavy
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industrial water now something I was
hoping you could clear up for me is the
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IWC
and the eastern Pennsylvania engineer
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society to say that right how do they
come together what are they explain that
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for me please so it’s the engineer
Society of western Pennsylvania they’re
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located in Pittsburgh and what they’ve
done is a bunch of Engineers in that
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area got together formed a society and
how to reach out to the industry to help
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support different aspects of engineering
and clearly water wasn’t their first
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thing it was roads bridges
infrastructure things like that a lot of
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heavy civil stuff and in the engineer
society of western Pennsylvania has
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other conferences that they sponsor
other than the international water
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conference and so the international
water conference happens to be one that
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at some time eighty years ago it became
pretty obvious that water was a very
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important resource that we had to manage
and conserve and the international water
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conference was formed so do people join
the international water conference
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there’s a couple aspects so a lot of the
people that do cover this conference
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particularly the ones in western
Pennsylvania are generally es WP members
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right and that’s that’s as much
coincidental as it is anything else
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however most of the executive committee
actually I think all the executive
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committee and probably a good chunk of
the Advisory Council are es WP members
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right or their organizations are
the you don’t have to be a member of the
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swp to participate in the IWC so that’s
that’s the counter to it
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our executive councils mandatory but for
anybody else it’s it’s optional now as
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far as the IWC is concerned it’s really
not so much to joining the IWC it’s
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attending volunteering putting your hand
up and saying I want to participate
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whether that’s as an author whether
that’s as a peer discuss or whether
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that’s as a workshop instructor those
are all positions that are open to
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anybody that want to put their hand and
say hey I want to I want to come and
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participate on it
so from an IWC perspective generally
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we’ll get pushing somewhere around nine
hundred attendees a year and out of
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those nine hundred attendees you know
there’s probably the better part of
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maybe about a hundred and twenty give or
take authors and discuss ORS I would say
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out of those and then we’ll have a
better part of two dozen workshops as
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well with with varying instructors and
that’s the bulk of our participants and
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then the Advisory Council and the
executive committee are the ones that
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take care of session management as far
as pulling each of those technical
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sessions together and pulling each of
those discussion groups together so that
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the sessions run properly who should
join your organization I would say
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anybody in the industrial water
treatment space there’s some niches you
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know we we don’t there’s parts of the
industry that we don’t see so much
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because that part of the industry
doesn’t necessarily facilitate these
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types of forums you know we don’t see a
lot of food and beverage folks for
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example but I think we’d like to see
more we see a lot of heavy industry
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folks so we see a lot of folks in the
oil and gas space in the power space and
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the mining sectors downstream upstream
refining we see all of those areas
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heavily and then we start seeing various
general industry manufacturing we’ve got
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folks from automotive manufacturers
showing up we’ve got folks from chemical
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industry showing up and it’s a
combination of technology suppliers you
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know individual equipment vendors you
know pump suppliers or you know
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compressor suppliers we’ve seen for
example water treatment technology
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suppliers membrane guys
ion exchange folks and everything in
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between and then epcs or the larger
engineering companies consultants we see
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some general contractors
play heavily in the water space and then
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what some people term is end users or
basically you know the folks whose
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primary industries are not water but
waters essential part of them like a
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binary or a chemical plant or you know
where they’re using water for steam
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generation and for heat within their
within their processes and that that
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steam has to be before the steam becomes
steam you got to remove all the
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impurities out of the water so that it
doesn’t scale up downstream processes
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and that’s a big big part of the
industry and a general water treatment
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industry so someone’s listening today
and they said I want to join this
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organization what should they do we call
the engineer Society of western
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Pennsylvania all right and ask how to
get involved you could give them my name
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or Jay’s name and we would love to get
people involved we would recommend that
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they attend the conference and get a
feel get an active role in the
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conference and connect up with some of
the leadership in the conference and we
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can help that person get more involved
and get the opportunities to to
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participate and potentially get into
some leadership roles like the technical
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chair in the general chair and the
workshop chair we’d love to see that and
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we are encouraging a lot of younger
folks to to get into a life of water
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treatment and for the love of water
treatment like Jay and I have we’ve been
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in it for so many years we’re trying to
encourage younger participants and
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younger people to join this industry and
seek the love of water treatment like we
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do I mean this this industry’s it does
have an aging demographic there’s you
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know there’s a lot of people in this
industry that are that are getting older
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and there’s a lot of people in this
industry that are getting to a point
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where they’re retiring and there’s a big
knowledge gap right you know the folks
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in the middle of our career you know
myself
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maybe Jim’s on the latter end but I feel
as I look around the industry as I look
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around the demographics there’s sort of
a gap there’s a large glut of senior
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folks that have a lot of knowledge
there’s young people that are coming in
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but this is a difficult industry to
attract people to be to be interested in
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right I did not come out of school
expecting to work in the water industry
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something I was looking for it was
something that kind of fell into and I
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fell into it and I found there was an
affinity and a passion to it and now
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it’s it’s it’s more than just a career
for me and so it’s a life for me but the
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one gap that I see in the middle point
of my career is there’s a numbers
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problem and there’s a numbers problem
with the folks my age and the experience
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base that we have compared to the senior
folks that are retiring and there’s a
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slow adoption of young people getting
into this industry with that same kind
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of passion that I think we have and we
were when we were younger coming in so I
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would encourage it to be any aspect if
there’s folks in the middle of their
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career that are certain realize hey I’ve
got a lot of experience technically
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there’s value I believe I can add to
this but there’s also value I believe I
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could take away from this I’m hearing
from other people within the industry
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talk about new technologies talk about
validating technologies through testing
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talk about solving problems in water or
waste water supply we’ve encouraged
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people and kind of mid-career to join us
we also encouraged a lot of young people
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to try and get in because this is also a
really great forum particularly with the
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workshops that we have and the way our
technical sessions are set up for young
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15:51.1
people to get into this space and see
more and learn more and not just and be
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15:54.7
able to interface with all those people
as as we were talking before the podcast
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there’s a intimacy with this conference
being only around 900 to a thousand
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people typically and that’s large enough
for us to be relevant but we’re small
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enough for it to be intimate and we’re
small enough for you to be able to walk
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around the floor and just introduce
yourself to people or talk to people and
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just join conversations that are
happening at the coffee stand during a
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break or on names if it’s show floor and
just start introducing people and
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realize hey what do you do hey wait a
min this space I’ve seen your company
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before tell me more about you you can
walk around the floor and go to any
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exhibitor and have a conversation with
them because you’re involved in
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something that is common right you go to
much some of these larger shows where
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there’s 25,000 attendees and how many
exhibitors 10,000 exhibitors and the
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relevance isn’t there all the time you
know you’re hunting and seeking for
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somebody that you can go talk to that
maybe has relevance to you we’re here
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16:51.6
it’s all relevant right one of the other
things we wanted to want to dimension
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16:54.5
was the the outreach
program we’re talking about trying to
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bring in younger talent we do have an
outreach program part of the executive
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committee that reaches out to
universities and we offer scholarships
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to certain individuals at these
universities and then they come in and
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as a as a guest of ours and we’re now
starting to see a return on that
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investment that we’re starting starting
now to see we just had a debrief this
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afternoon here before Jay and I showed
up we’re starting to see kids that were
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in that outreach program that we’re here
as students are now coming back as
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professionals and that is a really
really good thing we’d like to amp that
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up right and so instead of having four
kids or five kids maybe we get 10 or 20
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and start tracking that traction that
we’re getting with those individuals and
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there and whether they’re that
scholarship program and that outreach
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program is is returning the dividends
that we think it is and it’s starting to
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its process not an event it’s gonna take
time but we’re starting to see some of
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the some of the fruits of those labors
yeah we’re also adding some workshop
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programs to try and increase that that
young professional attraction as far as
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you know folks that are a couple years
into their career you know a lot of us I
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think we got into this career and if you
were to ask me when I was two years into
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my career or anything about condensate
polishing boiler feed ro whatever there
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were aspects to a lot of the industry
there’s so many different broad areas to
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it
we’ve got workshop programs that we
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started setting up that we’ve called you
know everything from water 101 to
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industrial wastewater 101 just as these
these intros and these broad spectral
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18:34.9
views on all these different aspects of
the industry that a lot of people get
18:34.9
18:37.8
into their careers and there’s just so
much and there’s so many different areas
18:37.8
18:40.7
it’s hard to you know how do you know
everything that’s out there how do you
18:40.7
18:43.7
know what all the different bits and
pieces are and how they gonna relate to
18:43.7
18:47.2
each other how do you know how to design
our Aero system right how do you know
18:47.2
18:50.6
what to look for if you’re doing if
you’re looking at a clarifier and you’re
18:50.6
18:54.4
looking at rise rates these are all
things that we’re trying to promote more
18:54.4
18:58.4
of in our workshops and start bringing
some of that senior knowledge and some
18:58.4
19:01.8
of that tribal knowledge that exists in
a lot of this a lot of this business and
19:01.8
19:05.8
start bringing it into the younger
generations coming up because
19:05.8
19:08.7
some of these aren’t simple things that
you’re just gonna turn around and read
19:08.7
19:11.7
you know read in a textbook somewhere
and be able to hit the ground running
19:11.7
19:15.6
with it comes a lifestyle right I think
comes a lifestyle something that you
19:15.6
19:21.1
both mentioned several times was you
both volunteer and you recommend others
19:21.1
19:26.1
to volunteer because you quite simply
get more out of that I’m curious how has
19:26.1
19:30.3
your membership been as far as and your
personal experience is what I’m asking
19:30.3
19:33.8
for
before you were volunteering and now
19:33.8
19:40.2
that you are volunteering so for me and
in a will will offer his insight as well
19:40.2
19:46.9
for me it’s been a lot of professional
experience right it’s been a real
19:46.9
19:52.0
professional learning experience for me
the IWC and being part of the Advisory
19:52.0
19:56.3
Council first and the executive
committee afterwards as being so first
19:56.3
20:00.0
when you become an executive committee
member you just can’t ask to be right
20:00.0
20:04.1
you have to be nominated right and
you’re nominated by your peers and your
20:04.1
20:09.0
peers happen to be in some cases your
competitor right but the executive
20:09.0
20:12.9
committee is about the industry it’s not
about us individually it’s not about us
20:12.9
20:17.1
and the companies that we work for we
represent the engineer Society of
20:17.1
20:20.5
western Pennsylvania and the
international water conference on that
20:20.5
20:26.9
committee right that is it who we work
for is irrelevant and what that does is
20:26.9
20:30.9
it brings to that conference and
integrity into that leadership and
20:30.9
20:35.7
integrity that you are there to promote
this conference and is not about who the
20:35.7
20:40.3
company that you work for and there’s
something very honorable and respectful
20:40.3
20:44.3
about that when when somebody that you
know and have known for years that
20:44.3
20:49.0
you’ve known as a competitor has the
confidence in you to recommend you for a
20:49.0
20:53.5
leadership role because they like who
you are they trust your expertise and
20:53.5
20:58.0
they trust your wherewithal and in this
and in your trustworthy person self so
20:58.0
21:03.0
from a professional experience it’s been
it’s been an incredible opportunity for
21:03.0
21:07.5
me to hone some of those skills that but
I’ve always looked to do right Jay what
21:07.5
21:14.4
about you I been coming to the IWC since
2006 and I started coming I didn’t know
21:14.4
21:16.9
anything about the ID obviously before I
started coming in the first year I came
21:16.9
21:19.4
there
were a few of my colleagues that have
21:19.4
21:22.2
been coming for years and they said
we’re gonna go we’re gonna go present on
21:22.2
21:25.7
it you should come down and join it and
that was the first that was the first
21:25.7
21:29.2
immersion I had into the conference and
I think coming out of the first year I
21:29.2
21:33.7
was blown away by it you know at the
time we were probably 580 people I think
21:33.7
21:38.3
around then give or take you know it was
even more intimate at the time and that
21:38.3
21:41.9
was back you know that doesn’t seem like
that long though but it was back long
21:41.9
21:44.2
enough ago where the culture was a
little bit different some of the
21:44.2
21:48.9
discussions were a little bit more
lively and confrontational and it was it
21:48.9
21:54.5
was it was awe-inspiring for you know at
that time I was seven years into my
21:54.5
21:59.1
career and it was intimidating and
awe-inspiring at the same time right and
21:59.1
22:02.9
it’s it’s it became fascinating and I
actually actually co-authored a paper
22:02.9
22:07.3
the next year I authored a paper the
year after that started discussing more
22:07.3
22:12.8
and at that time it was a you know I saw
it as an opportunity to grow my
22:12.8
22:16.4
professional my professional network and
my professional credibility a little bit
22:16.4
22:22.1
a chance to start writing a little bit
in somewhat of a safe space the peer
22:22.1
22:26.9
discussion actually the way that we
peer-review our papers is actually is
22:26.9
22:30.7
intimidating as it is it’s actually it
actually creates a safer environment to
22:30.7
22:33.4
be able to do that as a young engineer
because there’s almost a mentorship
22:33.4
22:37.2
aspect to it if you write a really good
paper as a young engineer and you get a
22:37.2
22:40.2
good peer discussion out of it and if
you look at that with the right open
22:40.2
22:44.5
mind you learn more from that that’s
more invaluable than anything else and I
22:44.5
22:49.8
remember the first time I presented here
I was as comfortable as I am talking in
22:49.8
22:55.2
front of a room I was terrified because
this room is all full of people that
22:55.2
23:01.0
have way more experience than I do that
are way more technical that have all
23:01.0
23:05.6
this breadth of knowledge and are willin
aren’t afraid to share it right
23:05.6
23:11.7
sometimes very directly but the one
thing I discovered was even despite that
23:11.7
23:16.0
sort of charge that experience that
exists people were very very gracious
23:16.0
23:19.6
people were very gracious with their
feedback they were very constructive
23:19.6
23:25.6
right everything from how you present
how you carry yourself you know the way
23:25.6
23:30.6
that you use constructive pauses as
opposed to word whispers and say um
23:30.6
23:35.9
and stutter it’s there’s an opportunity
to take that and learn from that and I
23:35.9
23:40.4
found more constructive criticism in a
very positive way from presenting here
23:40.4
23:46.1
than anywhere else I’ve ever I’ve ever
been and translating that into when I
23:46.1
23:49.7
got nominated to be on the ICI I was
humbled by it at the time when I got
23:49.7
23:52.5
nominated and I was the youngest on the
committee and I walked remember walking
23:52.5
23:57.9
into that room the first time and there
was there was there was a brief moment
23:57.9
24:07.3
of evident posture but there were a
couple reasons for it and and I’m no
24:07.3
24:12.4
longer the youngest but it’s it’s it was
to bring a little bit of a different
24:12.4
24:15.5
culture and I think the the team at the
time saw a need to start bringing in
24:15.5
24:18.3
some younger people start bringing in a
different demographic and a different
24:18.3
24:24.7
viewpoint and for me I’ll echo what Jim
said the professionalism the at the
24:24.7
24:28.6
ability to network but also the ability
to see things in a different perspective
24:28.6
24:34.4
sitting in this role independent of
company independent of technology you
24:34.4
24:37.8
have a very different viewpoint
appreciation for the industry right and
24:37.8
24:42.5
I talked to competitors as much as I
talked to clients as much as I talked to
24:42.5
24:47.5
partners when I’m at this environment
and it’s about growing the industry and
24:47.5
24:51.8
regardless of where that is we’re all
trying to do the same thing we’re all
24:51.8
24:57.2
trying to make money because that’s why
we do what we do right but at the same
24:57.2
25:01.9
time to doing that we all have a passion
for doing what we do and succeeding at
25:01.9
25:04.8
it you know cleaning up the world’s
water challenges cleaning up the world’s
25:04.8
25:09.1
wastewater challenge is finding ways to
be more sustainable that’s important to
25:09.1
25:13.1
all of us you both mentioned the EC or
the Executive Committee tell us a little
25:13.1
25:19.1
bit about what the EC does so the EC is
actually the committee that oversees the
25:19.1
25:23.4
entire international water conference
it’s though it’s the committee that
25:23.4
25:29.0
provides the guidance to the overall
conference it’s from the EC an executive
25:29.0
25:33.2
community that the general chair comes
from that the technical chair comes from
25:33.2
25:37.6
that the outreach chair comes from the
keynote speaker chair comes from the
25:37.6
25:42.5
workshop chair right and those
leadership roles within the executive
25:42.5
25:46.7
committee are not handed out
they’re earned right and so that
25:46.7
25:51.2
executive committee and we meet
regularly I have lice every we meet once
25:51.2
25:56.7
a month and in person twice a year and
that Executive Committee is responsible
25:56.7
26:00.2
for ensuring the success of this program
that’s all there is to it to boil it
26:00.2
26:03.2
really much down to that and from what
I’ve seen you guys have done a great job
26:03.2
26:07.4
yeah in the executive committee again
it’s it’s it’s an earned position right
26:07.4
26:12.1
um you have to work your way to that
like Jay I was humbled right when I was
26:12.1
26:15.4
asked because I had to be I was
interviewed by by two people that
26:15.4
26:19.6
tremendous amount of respect for and
they were my competitor but they had
26:19.6
26:23.2
been on the you know in the commercial
region and they were my competitor but
26:23.2
26:26.7
they had enough respect for me to say we
think Jim would be really good in this
26:26.7
26:29.4
role and the same thing with Jay and
that’s how that works it Center in
26:29.4
26:32.8
position the Advisory Council on the
other hand you are there as a
26:32.8
26:36.7
representative of your company and
there’s probably twice as many people on
26:36.7
26:39.9
the Advisory Council as the Executive
Committee we try to keep the executive
26:39.9
26:46.5
committee down to like 20 21 people
advisory councils up to 50 60 it’s all
26:46.5
26:52.8
60 question 60 right and from the
Advisory Council you get session
26:52.8
26:58.2
leadership session chairs discussion
leaders discuss errs that manage the day
26:58.2
27:03.6
the the the session itself and have to
manage the process of getting the papers
27:03.6
27:06.8
and getting the papers in and the peer
reviews and the presentations and all
27:06.8
27:10.7
that type of stuff so the Advisory
Council is the breeding ground for the
27:10.7
27:14.1
executive committee and before you get
to the Advisory Council you you can put
27:14.1
27:16.8
your hand up for the Advisory Council
you can come in if somebody sees this
27:16.8
27:20.3
podcaster hears this podcast goes you
know I really want to get involved and I
27:20.3
27:23.3
think my company would like to be part
of the International Water Conference
27:23.3
27:28.2
they can get them into the advisory
council and then from there it’s up to
27:28.2
27:31.3
them that individual if they want to go
further if they want to get into a more
27:31.3
27:36.3
leadership role than you you earn you
earn that that position like Jay and I
27:36.3
27:39.8
both have gone through session chairs
and discussion leaders and discuss errs
27:39.8
27:44.0
and we’ve had active roles leading up to
where we’re at today and and so you have
27:44.0
27:48.6
to have that experience well I know that
helps now we have common terminology we
27:48.6
27:52.8
all know what we’re talking about let’s
talk about this great conference that
27:52.8
27:57.4
you guys are almost at the tail end of
talk to several people today they’ve had
27:57.4
28:01.2
eight times they talked about great
information great papers so I’m curious
28:01.2
28:08.2
why does somebody need to attend the IWC
so the end of you see the NDB sees
28:08.2
28:13.5
really about the Technical Program and
we do have three aspects to it we’ve got
28:13.5
28:18.0
a workshop program which is
realistically not that different from
28:18.0
28:21.9
most conferences workshop programs I
think we try it as we were talking a
28:21.9
28:26.0
little bit earlier we try and focus our
workshops focusing on education we try
28:26.0
28:28.9
and keep all the commercialism out of
the discussions both through the
28:28.9
28:33.8
workshops in the technical program and
try and make it a industry focused event
28:33.8
28:39.0
right so if we do a program if we do a
workshop program on reverse osmosis
28:39.0
28:44.0
design it’s not about any individual
vendors reverse osmosis design it’s
28:44.0
28:46.0
about the general principles of reverse
osmosis
28:46.0
28:52.0
for example the Technical Program is
really the heart of this program we do
28:52.0
28:55.9
the better part of seventy five seventy
six papers a year give or take we’ve
28:55.9
28:58.7
talked about expanding it but we’ve
actually been reluctant to do that
28:58.7
29:02.9
because we want to try and keep the
quality up will generally get anywhere
29:02.9
29:09.8
from maybe 150 to 180 abstracts a year
submitted and then the Executive
29:09.8
29:14.7
Committee will will Blatt down to 76
papers and a really solid program so the
29:14.7
29:18.7
reality is we turn away a lot of very
good content and with that we end up
29:18.7
29:22.1
with a technical program that we feel is
one of the best in the industry from an
29:22.1
29:26.6
industrial water perspective and as we
talked a little bit about before the
29:26.6
29:30.9
podcast our formats very different than
what most most other organizations
29:30.9
29:36.8
formats are we have a paper that’s
presented in a 25-minute session we then
29:36.8
29:41.5
have a prepared peer discussion that is
prepared beforehand beforehand a peer
29:41.5
29:45.3
discussed sir in the industry is
selected to review a paper usually it’s
29:45.3
29:49.5
sometimes its competitor you know if
it’s an end user say it’s a refinery
29:49.5
29:53.2
maybe it’s maybe it’s another person
from another refinery we might have
29:53.2
29:56.9
discuss it just to get a conflicting
viewpoint and that prepared discussion
29:56.9
30:02.4
will then be presented for ten minutes
and we’ll basically say hey here was
30:02.4
30:05.7
your paper I really liked what you
talked about here here are some areas to
30:05.7
30:09.5
improve or here are some areas where I
saw some data and I just don’t believe
30:09.5
30:12.0
what you’re saying or
I’m gonna challenge you on that or I’ve
30:12.0
30:16.9
seen something different or have you
considered this and it opens it up to be
30:16.9
30:21.4
a very general but a good dynamic
sometimes it’s conflicting sometimes
30:21.4
30:26.6
it’s complimentary sometimes it’s both
but that format really promotes this
30:26.6
30:31.1
this conference as being educational and
relevant and that’s the point and that’s
30:31.1
30:34.0
something we really strive for we try
and keep all the commercialism out of it
30:34.0
30:37.1
that’s that’s something I think we’ve
said that a couple times and we’ll keep
30:37.1
30:40.5
repeating that because that’s really a
core for how we try and structure our
30:40.5
30:44.9
program the third aspect of this
conference formally is the exhibit hall
30:44.9
30:49.4
which unlike some other conferences
where the exhibit hall is going the
30:49.4
30:52.6
entire time the conference is on our
exhibit halls only open a couple times
30:52.6
30:57.9
and it’s really you know it’s there so
that companies have the opportunity to
30:57.9
31:01.7
exhibit often it really becomes a
congregation point and a point for you
31:01.7
31:05.2
for people to find each other more than
anything else it’s only open when the
31:05.2
31:08.6
technical sessions aren’t there and
otherwise when the technical sessions
31:08.6
31:13.2
are on the exhibit halls closed and we
do that to basically push the technical
31:13.2
31:16.8
side of the conference right push the
educational side of it we were talking
31:16.8
31:20.2
earlier about trying to figure out
numbers of how much how much of the
31:20.2
31:23.3
attendance is actually attending the
technical sessions and well we don’t
31:23.3
31:28.0
know the exact answers it definitely
feels like are waiting 90% of it I know
31:28.0
31:32.6
a lot of people are here for the
continuing education that they get who
31:32.6
31:35.0
should be coming to get some of that
seee
31:35.0
31:40.7
and then what can they expect when they
come so continuing education is a big
31:40.7
31:44.6
part of particularly the workshops I see
it a little bit in the sessions but
31:44.6
31:48.4
particularly the workshops tend to
attract more of those
31:48.4
31:53.3
maybe operators and those folks that are
actually operating or involved in the
31:53.3
31:56.6
operation of a water treatment plant
where they get those continuing
31:56.6
32:00.2
education credits we’ve actually
simplified the process for doing that
32:00.2
32:03.6
now and that it’s all online with the
exception of I think the state of New
32:03.6
32:07.5
York is you know which requires a hand
still a hand written verification that
32:07.5
32:12.0
you checked in you checked out but the
IWC takes care of all that for those
32:12.0
32:15.4
individuals that are seeking those
credits I know a lot of things took
32:15.4
32:19.1
place this week can you tell the
audience a little bit about what did
32:19.1
32:23.2
take place this week right there was a
lot of really good things that happened
32:23.2
32:26.8
this weekend
we just had a wrap-up session with the
32:26.8
32:30.5
executive committee and the Advisory
Council just before Jay and I showed up
32:30.5
32:33.6
here and the first thing that we wanted
to talk about were some of the
32:33.6
32:36.2
highlights what were the good things
there’s always places for improvement
32:36.2
32:39.3
but we really want to talk about the
highlights and some of the highlights
32:39.3
32:45.2
were you know record attendance solid
technical program a lot of first-time
32:45.2
32:51.6
attendees we saw there had to be of 40
people that were first-time attendees
32:51.6
32:54.7
and that was just at the anniversary
dinner on Monday night that stood up and
32:54.7
33:00.5
25 different countries in 25 different
countries 41 different states in the
33:00.5
33:11.5
United States and sold out exhibit hall
we’re seeing returned younger attendees
33:11.5
33:17.9
returned to this conference as
professionals we are seeing a record
33:17.9
33:22.5
number of attendees and in the papers
and the content of the papers are very
33:22.5
33:29.6
very good right as we seek to satisfy
this base of information we are also
33:29.6
33:34.9
looking at what are the emerging topics
we talked about these like P Faust and
33:34.9
33:39.9
mercury and selenium and when wastewater
in conservation and recirculation and
33:39.9
33:44.3
minimum liquid discharge zero liquid
discharge those are things that are
33:44.3
33:47.7
going to continue to evolve and I see
those as being part of a strong
33:47.7
33:53.3
technical program next year as well I
don’t know Jay if you have any I’d echo
33:53.3
33:57.4
a lot of that I think I’ll give you an
example as we’re seeing changes in the
33:57.4
34:01.0
industry and and some changes in
dynamics you know the equiment ation
34:01.0
34:06.3
guidelines for the power industry have
been drafted again and you know there
34:06.3
34:09.2
was there was some discussion on that
that’s been a that’s been an emerging
34:09.2
34:12.2
topic for years that’s I think we’re
starting to get in the sunset side
34:12.2
34:17.4
that’s of that though but PFS for
example we had never had a pee fast
34:17.4
34:21.4
discussion at this conference before
this year and we had 30 some-odd
34:21.4
34:25.4
abstracts for pee fast when we record
number of abstracts for a single topic
34:25.4
34:30.1
and we created we created two full
sessions around PFS this year so for the
34:30.1
34:33.4
members that are listening and don’t
know what that is explain that for us
34:33.4
34:38.3
yeah so P Faust is poly and purr floral
alkylated substances
34:38.3
34:42.2
anybody who’s in a water-treatment kind
of understands what’s going on with with
34:42.2
34:47.4
that and it is something that is of I
guess have been referred to as a forever
34:47.4
34:51.3
chemical sometimes they call it that but
is it but it is a compound in multiple
34:51.3
34:56.6
sites a suite of different compounds
that that do not degrade very easily in
34:56.6
35:00.8
the environment and so they’re finding
their ways into into waterways public
35:00.8
35:05.6
waterways wastewater things like that
and be in have become an area of
35:05.6
35:10.8
significant interest in trying to manage
and remove and treat but we’ve found it
35:10.8
35:17.7
to be very difficult to remove because
it’s neither ionic or organic it’s kind
35:17.7
35:21.4
of sort of both and it’s poly
fluorinated so it’s kind of greasy and
35:21.4
35:25.7
it’s it’s really hard it’s difficult so
needs come up as a for the us in the
35:25.7
35:29.0
water treatment industry it’s like the
challenge it’s like how do you do this
35:29.0
35:32.6
right how’d you do it effectively and I
can tell you the treatment technology
35:32.6
35:35.6
that’s being promoted today is not going
to be the treatment technology tomorrow
35:35.6
35:40.2
because it’s going to evolve and it’s
gonna get better and so bringing that to
35:40.2
35:45.0
this conference was a big deal and we
had a lot of really good abstracts I was
35:45.0
35:48.7
having a discussion and just not about
PFS but along the same vein and I was
35:48.7
35:52.6
having a discussion with somebody
yesterday about the steam electric power
35:52.6
35:55.9
space and the coal-fired power space and
the got the effluent limitation
35:55.9
35:59.8
guidelines that have been imposed on
them and you know one of the one of the
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comments we had is we were reflecting a
little bit on the last twelve years and
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we said it’s amazing how much
technology’s changed in the last 12
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36:11.9
years and we were reflecting on that
because we were talking about the papers
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36:14.6
and the presentations we’ve seen over
the last 12 years and we’ve seen them
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36:18.8
change we’ve seen you know new
technologies being piloted some of which
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36:21.9
have failed some of which have been more
successful some of which have pivoted
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36:26.3
and this year we’re starting to see
discussions on you know what happens
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36:29.1
when I start these plants up what
happens when I’ve been running in for a
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36:32.8
while and we get to see the whole
lifecycle of an industry figure out a
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36:36.9
challenge figure out solutions for a
challenge and then turn around and
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36:40.3
present hey this is how we solved it and
watch the industry mature as it goes
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36:44.0
through so there’s a life cycle and a
lot of these things because there’s
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36:47.2
always going to be the next big thing
and we’re looking for what that is next
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36:50.6
year to start talking about more of
right there’s been a lots of
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36:54.4
conversation in the industry
direct and indirect potable water reuse
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36:58.7
and alternative sources of feed water
for industry that you know may be in an
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37:03.1
area that’s water strapped or maybe in
an area that is discharging wastewater
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37:07.1
and is having problems doing that or in
an area that’s discharging wastewater to
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37:12.9
a municipal Aeons wastewater treatment
system that is running out of capacity
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37:17.1
or is charging exorbitant surcharges in
the industry needs to figure out how to
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37:20.3
reuse and how to be more sustainable
sometimes just about being a good
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37:24.7
corporate citizen and finding ways to
cut water water consumption and you know
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37:27.7
some people just don’t want to be don’t
want to be in the headline for using a
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37:30.9
lot of water either so we’re always
looking to figure out what that is and
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37:34.0
that’ll continue to be our challenge as
we present and figure out the program
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37:36.7
for next year
how do people submit abstracts for the
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37:41.2
program next year well effectively the
call for abstracts is already open as of
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37:45.2
now for next year there’ll be some more
formal communication coming out of the
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37:50.4
IWC you linked in a couple different
publications we’ll start seeing probably
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37:54.0
January early January deadlines usually
somewhere around the end of February
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37:58.1
generally moves a week or two sometimes
every year but the submission they can
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38:01.9
go on to the engineer Society western
Pennsylvania website or just google
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38:05.8
search international water conference
and through the website there’s an
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38:10.9
online submission link that somebody can
click and submit a paper for can you
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38:14.1
tell us a little bit about the
conference next year where it’s going to
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38:18.6
be what do you anticipate being talked
about what’s going on next year so the
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38:21.9
conference next year is gonna be at San
Antonio Texas this conference does
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38:27.2
rotate between three locations Orlando
San Antonio Phoenix and so last year was
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38:31.7
Phoenix this year Orlando next year San
Antonio following year back to Phoenix I
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38:36.1
think is how it’s gonna go and you know
next year Rory’s looking to up our game
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38:40.9
every year you know the easy things for
us to look at our attendance how do we
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38:44.2
bolster our attendance how do we get our
tendons members up how do we continue to
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38:47.4
get to good quality papers how do we
give people and you know into the
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38:50.2
conference and getting signed up for the
conference and attending the conference
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38:56.8
and so what I see is us being able to
try and expand the way that we’ve kind
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39:01.2
of interact with the industry and how do
we spread the message about the
39:01.2
39:04.2
international water conference and how
we do that differently clearly this
39:04.2
39:07.3
podcast is one way to do that
and we’re looking at other ways to try
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39:12.3
and amp that up so that we can get our
message out there broader and also we
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39:16.2
want to educate people more about what
the conference is about like the papers
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39:19.1
with the peer reviews I think that’s a
big hook for some people it could be
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39:23.4
scary but as an attendee it’s great
because you get to learn more you get
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39:26.6
more bang for your buck when you have
somebody that’s doing a peer review and
39:26.6
39:30.2
then I think the intimacy part of the of
it you know keeping keeping this
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39:34.4
conference at that 1,000 to 2,000 range
is probably where we really want to be I
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39:38.7
mean it’s we hear time and time again
about the intimacy so every year the
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39:44.4
format is the same right exhibit hall
doc you know the the sessions session
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39:49.3
titles change right depending on the the
abstracts but the format of the entire
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39:56.1
conference remains the same starts on
Sunday night and and I would expect us
39:56.1
40:01.0
to some of the highlights will be on the
technical program would be emerging
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40:05.5
topics like what’s the next thing we
need to really be ahead of you know and
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40:09.9
we put our feelers out there with
subcommittees to go what’s what do we
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40:12.5
want to really talk about what’s the
next thing that we might maybe want to
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40:16.7
have a session on that might resonate
with the with the industry yeah we’re
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40:19.8
always looking for what’s the industry
buzz right what are what are what are we
40:19.8
40:23.2
hearing what are people talking about
you know what are new challenges that
40:23.2
40:26.4
some of the industry is starting to see
that maybe not everybody’s aware of yet
40:26.4
40:30.5
you know I suspect with sort of our
introduction to pee fuss this year I
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40:34.5
suspect we’ll have follow-ups next year
more into kind of that life cycle we
40:34.5
40:37.3
were talking about a little bit earlier
and more into okay we have identified a
40:37.3
40:40.6
problem now let’s figure out how to
solve for it and start being more
40:40.6
40:43.9
focused on what those solutions may be
and how to implement them and test them
40:43.9
40:49.0
and validate them or innovate around
them you know I suspect we’re seeing a
40:49.0
40:52.7
lot it was always discussions about
sustainability right and it’s it’s
40:52.7
40:56.0
interesting right now because it’s in a
very we’re in a dynamic market we’re in
40:56.0
40:59.5
an interesting regulatory environment in
a challenging regulatory environment
40:59.5
41:03.4
depending on what side of the industry
you sit in you know we’re seeing new
41:03.4
41:08.2
contaminants a concern on the wastewater
side we’re seeing you know noose new
41:08.2
41:12.8
challenges on the water supply side as
far as scarcity as far as drought
41:12.8
41:16.9
conditions in places that didn’t
necessarily have a drought before so
41:16.9
41:20.9
we are starting to see a little bit of a
migration or away from some of our
41:20.9
41:26.7
traditional core topics around boiler
chemistry condensate polishing cooling
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41:31.7
towers so it’s it’s not that those
aren’t important it’s just they’re a lot
41:31.7
41:34.9
more mature but we see on cooling towers
is how to manage the blowdown that’s
41:34.9
41:39.6
that because that’s a source of water
that can be reused right so it’d be a
41:39.6
41:44.2
bet circles back into a into a water
reuse type of session but it’s really
41:44.2
41:47.6
the only topic on cooling towers that
ever comes up these days and as we
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41:51.7
looking forward in the next year as we
move to as we move to Texas you know
41:51.7
41:54.8
when we when we rotate this conference
around place to place we do see
41:54.8
41:58.4
different demographics show up right or
in Florida we tend to get more folks
41:58.4
42:02.4
from Florida or in Texas we usually get
a very large bump in attendance from
42:02.4
42:06.2
Texas and when you do that there tends
to be a little bit of a shift in the San
42:06.2
42:11.5
Antonio conferences to more on the
upstream downstream oil and gas space
42:11.5
42:16.3
some of the chemical processing industry
space some of the water scarcity space
42:16.3
42:19.8
those those areas tend to uptick a
little bit more in Texas and I suspect
42:19.8
42:23.2
next year is going to be no different
well guys if somebody just tuned in
42:23.2
42:28.0
right now what’s the one thing that you
want the listeners to know about the IWC
42:28.0
42:33.6
come see us come join sign up come to
San Antonio next year and invite your
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42:39.9
friends you took the words right out of
my mouth Jim you beat me to it so well
42:39.9
42:42.9
I’ll be sure to put all that information
on our show notes page so people can
42:42.9
42:46.1
find that easy a lot of people are
driving when they’re listening to this
42:46.1
42:49.1
so we don’t want them taking notes so
we’ll make sure that they say safe so
42:49.1
42:53.5
Jim Jay thank you so much for joining us
I know that we helped the nation quite a
42:53.5
42:57.3
bit in learning a lot about the
international border conference thank
42:57.3
42:59.8
you appreciate it appreciate the
opportunity Thank You Tracy my pleasure
42:59.8
43:04.9
well nation if you are not taking notes
the international water conference is
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43:12.5
going to be on November 8th through 12th
in San Antonio Texas now what you just
43:12.5
43:18.8
heard was in Orlando now what they do is
they rotate every year to another city
43:18.8
43:24.6
and so the following year it will be in
Scottsdale Arizona that will be November
43:24.6
43:30.3
7th through 11th
so 2021 and then they’re back in Orlando
43:30.3
43:35.1
and 2022
now nation I don’t know if the IWC is
43:35.1
43:39.8
right for you I don’t know if the AWT is
right for you I don’t know what
43:39.8
43:45.3
organization is right for you but here’s
what I want you to start thinking about
43:45.3
43:52.0
what water-related organizations are out
there that now you can pick and choose
43:52.0
43:59.2
what you will be the best member in and
join those and here’s the key it is not
43:59.2
44:05.3
just holding a membership card folks
that will do nothing for you you have to
44:05.3
44:10.9
get involved in those organizations and
by giving yourself to those
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44:17.6
organizations you will get back tenfold
so as we wrap up this show I want to ask
44:17.6
44:24.9
you this question how are you driving
yourself to become better is it joining
44:24.9
44:29.6
an organization and again it’s not just
join it’s being active in that
44:29.6
44:35.5
organization is it joining a group like
a mastermind group is it having an
44:35.5
44:40.6
accountability partner with somebody
that you are close with is it reading
44:40.6
44:47.9
books on particular topics the truth is
it really doesn’t matter what you do as
44:47.9
44:55.9
long as it has a goal to bring you to
the next level so the real questions I
44:55.9
45:02.0
want to ask you is how do you gauge
where you’re at and how do you know that
45:02.0
45:08.9
you are continuously getting better now
what makes successful people even more
45:08.9
45:15.1
successful is they ask questions like
that and most people don’t ever think
45:15.1
45:20.7
about these questions and as a result of
that they stay the same
45:20.7
45:27.6
now the brutal fact is if you stay the
same others are going to pass you and
45:27.6
45:32.5
said staying the same will send you
backwards in relation to other people
45:32.5
45:37.5
there’s no such thing
staying the same so you have to get in
45:37.5
45:43.3
this mindset if you want to stand out if
you want to achieve your goals if you
45:43.3
45:50.1
want to become more successful it all
starts with asking those questions well
45:50.1
45:55.3
next week I’m going to be talking with
Tom Hutchinson and if Hutchinson sounds
45:55.3
46:03.7
familiar that’s because we heard his son
on episodes 122 and 123 that was Reed
46:03.7
46:10.3
Hutchinson and he told us all about what
his experiences were like how he went to
46:10.3
46:13.4
the technical training and the
fundamentals and applications training
46:13.4
46:18.6
we just learned so much from Reed we’re
having his dad come on next week and the
46:18.6
46:24.9
reason I wanted Tom to come on was he
did a great paper at the association of
46:24.9
46:29.7
Water Technologies last year about
generational water treatment companies
46:29.7
46:34.9
and I was really surprised at how many
generational water treatment companies
46:34.9
46:36.9
are out there and if you’re wondering
what that term is
46:36.9
46:41.8
it just simply means that a father pass
it on to his son or daughter and it’s
46:41.8
46:49.6
gone in several generations now he noted
what successful companies did during
46:49.6
46:53.6
those transitions he also talked about
what unsuccessful companies did and he
46:53.6
46:59.8
had so many great takeaways so we asked
him about those questions things that he
46:59.8
47:05.0
learned during that paper and also what
he’s learned throughout his career so
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that is going to be a great interview I
can’t wait to bring it to you next week
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