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are now is James McDonald and here is a brand new installment of periodic water
table with James hello and welcome to the periodic water table with James
where we think and learn about water chemistry drop by drop please use your week to search online ask your
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of knowledge together and get started today’s topic
is calcium phosphate how soluble is calcium phosphate is it more or less
soluble than calcium carbonate how could the degradation of other water treatment chemicals lead to formation of calcium
phosphate in a system how could the inclusion of phosphate based chemistry in the incoming makeup water such a city
water impact the formation of calcium phosphate especially if you aren’t checking for such chemistry how do you
clean calcium phosphate scale what is the impact of pH and temperature on calcium phosphate scale
formation can you predict the solubility of calcium phosphate how do you prevent
calcium phosphate scale when would you actually want to produce calcium phosphate precipitation in a water
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you thank you James well our guest today actually did what I request all of the
people that attend the conferences that I talk about that are in the scaling up
Nation to please come up to me and introduce yourselves let me know that you listen to the podcast and our next
guest did that very thing of course I kind of set it up to work pretty well we were eating lunch together and we
introduced each other and she knew who I was because I get the the honor of Hosting this podcast each and every week
folks I know you’re going to enjoy this [Music] interview my lab partner today is Dr
Swati Sharma of water engineering Incorporated welcome Swati thank you
thank you trace well you and I met we happen to be so fortunate to be seated
right next to each other at lunch at the most recent awt Technical Training
seminar so how lucky was I I think the same goes with me as well
I have been listening to your podcast for a long time and I’m I’m really honored that uh I get to talk with you
today and discuss a lot of different interesting topics about it today I think we’re going to cover a lot of
material specifically around Wastewater but before we get there I’m kind of curious how did you learn about the awt
Technical Training and why did you decide you wanted to go so I come with a
specialization in wastewater treatment and uh after I graduated with my
doctoral degree I joined water engineering Incorporated uh we are based
out of me Nebraska and uh water engineering is a industrial water
treatment company uh services company so I came in as a technical Wastewater
consultant I joined there but when I got in I saw that that a majority of our
services is concentrated with industrial water treatment and that was something
very new to me and uh although I have been here for four years now it’s going
to be it’s a vast area it’s a vast field so I although I went into the field did
everything and you know got in touch with our technical support uh but I think the Technical Training David and
Katie told me about and also through I have been to awt conferences a couple of times and uh I wanted to First go in
2020 when I joined to the Technical Training but the co hit and everything
was different at that time so finally I got a chance and I was like okay this is
the time I should be in the Technical Training to to know where I stand I
think that really helped me the Technical Training because even after three and a half years in the industry
there’s lot to learn you cannot learn it in one day all of it so it was a good
experience for me to know where I stand in the industrial water treatment so
yeah it was to explore the knowledge and the vast industry in few
days which one of the seminars did you attend I attended the industrial water
treatment so you got to see me more than you bargain for because we had a speaker
that wasn’t able to make it and um we had to figure out how to make that work
no yeah but that was that was really good actually because a lot of those especially with the numericals and the
other little stuff that we never think of I mean there is on the books but we
don’t get to read the books all the time all day you know so these technical trainings really helped me a lot with
that because uh small things small brush UPS like oh you forget that did I do this do do I do it when I do this test
or not you know those little things really H at it was it was really full of
knowledge I’ve heard several people refer to that course as drinking from a
fire hose what do you think I think I agree to it I guess you
get a little bit of water but there’s so much that you’re missing yes yes absolutely and you do things you you do
this test so many times almost so many times a day probably in know in a month
but there’s the small things that you miss and it helps a lot when somebody you know put that in your mind Hey focus
on this you know that that’s that’s something I really enjoyed learning about in the trainings I am curious how
did you get involved in the water treatment industry so I have an engineering degree
in environmental and biotechnology with a minor in chemical engineering so when
I was in India I did a few projects in wastewater treatment actually my final
year projects my uh so the Capstone projects that they say here so I got
interested in that field because first of all in India we have a ton of water
resources but not a very good probably water treatment facilities so that was
something that intrigued me to getting those projects uh to to learn about it
and when over the time when I by the end of my fourth year when I finished it I
started looking up uh different researches that’s going on and uh that’s
how I found my adviser in in the US uh in North Dakota State University he was
working on a similar project that I did My Capstone project with and so I contacted him and I got here and started
working in water treatment and U I mean I never actually when I grew up I never thought that I would actually work in
wastewater treatment but but after I came here it’s it’s it’s a part of my
life now I I really enjoy doing it what does your day-to-day look like uh my
dayto day I have a four-year-old to start with so it the day begins with him
and ends with him but in the middle I find myself going into field workor
helping our take Services we I also direct and manage manag the in-house
analytical Lab at uh water engineering so spending a quality time in the lab
analyzing samples getting out in the field you know coming back home spending
time with family well let’s talk a little bit about your thesis I make sure I get the title right so how to estimate
the best treatment conditions for sunflower oil Wastewater using advanced
electrooxidation process so why would somebody write this this and let’s talk
about it yeah um so when I came here for my PhD I started with biological
treatment process actually um in Municipal Water Wastewater as a year
passed and when we started talking about many different uh I started researching
about the topics on Municipal Wastewater treatments I saw that most of the water
has been pre-treated through the industries first before it comes to the C plant and a lot of times these
industries uh find it hard to treat some of their waste water on a day-to-day
basis they face based on the loading or if there’s some kind of mishap happens
or some accident happens and they and that comes in as a burden to the city
water plant because they are not that equipped to treat as specifically to
some of the problems so my research got little diverted and I was like okay wait
I I probably have to start where it started so I went back and went into the
industrial wastewater treatment side and started talking with different Industries back in
Fargo and I talked with them I found like what are the issues that they are
finding in their plans from day to day like you know they they have already a wastewater treatment plan set setup but
what are the issues that they are thinking of could be improved or enhanced and that’s how I got into the
research on oil refinery edible oil refinery and I also worked on a sugar be
plant so where they make sugars actually from sugar Beed so there are lots of
fatty acids there is there something particular about sunflower oil so
sunflower oil or U Kola you take any kind of oil actually so my research was
on not only on sunflower it it is a part of the study in the PHD but uh I did in
uh two different oils and I would say it’s not very different in terms of the
Organics it’s a high loading of Organics it’s a high loading of fog and phenolic substances uh other
inorganic substances fatty acids as you see because sunflower all of those
organic components come from the process of seedling to the oil extraction so the
whole process itself contributes a lot of organic acids and which is really
hard uh sometimes to do it through the traditional method uh generally if you see a oil refinery will go through the
process of a pre-treatment and uh using chemical coagulation and then it would be going
through a dissolved air flotation and finally it goes to goes through a microbial process of treatment but the
problem with these particular traditional methods is first of all
chemical culation is an additive process so it adds a lot of chemicals into your
water so it also produces a huge volume of sludge and this sludge becomes hazardous
because you have already added chemicals to it you know and while d sludging uh
dewatering this sludge it’s a huge consumption of water first second it’s
huge operation cost and secondly the Disposable disposal of this waste is a
big issue right now so these are the three things that really contribute on
top of that the whole treatment chain itself is a operationally expensive process where
is the return on investment is very low you know and that’s also one of the
reasons where you know waste water they the industries they don’t really want to
think about much until unless they have a violation or they’re not meeting the discharge per permits uh because they
don’t see any monetary gain from the whole process itself but if we see it
from other perspective if if we can think of a different different process an
alternative process like an electrocoagulation it doesn’t need a lot of space it’s a compact treatment
process it does not have any fowling issues comparatively it’s less SL large
generation so you you you save a lot of money in disposing this or dewatering or
taking care of this sludge and since it’s a oxidation process it does not have any hazardous byproducts so it can
be easily the sludge that is formed from this process can be easily moved to land
application fertilization or even you can sell it as a fuel to it so you dealt
a lot with the electrooxidation process there are a lot of different ways to slice that up can
you explain what the different processes are and what the differences are yes uh
so all of these these like electr coagulation I mainly work on electrocoagulation
electrooxidation and electrochemical peroxidation so these
three are three different ways of oxidation process but the mechanism
itself is little different so if I want to give a gist of it electroc culation
is where the anode gets oxidized and in terms of if I if I speak
particularly about the o waste water it works on the emuls emulsification so it
de emulsifies destabilize the oil from the water and separate it so you get
colloidal substances because of the oxidization of the anode and at the same
time the cathode that you are using here will act as a flotation device so in
chemical culation if you compare it to a chemical culation process you mix the chemicals the coogulant and the fulin
and then then you let it run for some time until it you know produce the pin flocks that we say right and then you
move it through a daff so you’re using two different equipments to get this
whole thing whereas in electroc culation it’s done in the same device it’s say it’s done in the same equipment where
the anode is doing the pin flocks and the cathode metal electrode will
actually use uh give air bubbles which will make the clogs to float up so
that’s electrocoagulation now if we go for Electro oxidation the difference here is
it’s an oxidation process where instead of creating sludge in the
electrocoagulation system this Electro oxidation will convert your components
to carbon dioxide and hydrogen molecules so it is a environment
friendly process compared to EC and there are also differences about is
electroc culation is more effective in suspended particulate comp contaminants
whereas electrooxidation is more effective in organic dissolved solubles
and when it comes to electrochemical peroxidation this is called as a fentom
chemistry it where we uses iron and hydrogen peroxide for the oxidation
process so it sounds like it’s a smaller footprint and there’s a lot less waste
which is normally one of the largest costs that the customer has what about the actual water
discharge quality how has that changed so the water discharge quality is really
good in terms of that uh when we are focusing on chemical culation I’m I’m
comparing it with the chemical coagulation all the time because this is what we use most of the time and it’s
easier for us to you know relate to it so in chemical culation when we do not
all chemicals can do all sorts of removal right so we use different chemicals for different kind of removal
if we are using if we want to do maybe um organic removal we are using feric
chloride or pack a whereas if you’re if you want to use
for uh heavy metals removal we are again using something different so for each
kind of removal in chemical culation you using different kind of chemicals and you are actually adding different
chemicals but in electrocoagulation or oxidation process microbial
contamination inorganic contamination organic contamination heavy metals all
this can be done with the same process itself without any addition of chemicals
so it’s just one process many removals so it’s it’s a versatile process to use
for when you started to write write your paper what was your hypothesis and then
how did that change when you got all your data that was actually interesting because I I did three different types of
wastewaters an oily Wastewater that was canola and the sunflower and the other
one was sugar bead when I first started in the first year I was totally clueless
about what to start how to do it so read lots of papers which I’m sure anyone doing a research would do and I thought
okay I have three different I all I need to do is just test them in different ways and it’s all it’s going to be
different is probably the parameters changes you know like the dose dozing will change but I figured out that each
waste water was so different in its characteristics is that each of these
three treatments behaved completely different like EC was electroc culation
was really good with the canola oil whereas when I went to the sugar beit
which is really high in organic loading I found that the electro oxidation was a better process it’s a slower process but
it’s a better process so my my hypothesis was it’s going to be the same
tree treatments and I’m going to do a comparison study but by the end of it I
had to do modelings I had to do statistical analysis to see what are the differences how how significant ly it’s
different uh what are the acting interacting parameters that are working
more in one type of Wastewater so those are the things that actually kind of
changed over the course of time now that you’ve gone through the process if you
had the opportunity to do it all over again what would you have changed you know I I was looking into my thesis few
days back and uh I was I was telling my husband and I was like you you know what
if I would have done this today I would have probably Lo in from a real world
perspective where some of the when we were doing this research in the lab
everything is so controlled you choose your own parameters okay I’m going to
look into the current density I’m looking into the time but there are so many other things which now when I go
out to the field and see the real life scenarios I could have Incorporated many
different things are probably done maybe in terms of like the power usage right we are using electricity here so what’s
the voltage that you would use what are is the current density can we can it be optimized into a better level uh how we
did a energy consumption study in that research but how well it’s going to fit
in the today’s real world scenario how how could we optimize that those are the
things I think I would go back and read revisit there are a lot of people that listen to this show that are published
some want to be published so to do a service to all of them what tips can you
give to the scaling up Nation if somebody is trying to publish a paper so
the first thing I would tell which my adviser told me once is pick one small
problem you do not have to solve the whole problem if you just take one bit
of one problem it’s going to have a chain reaction in solving the whole
problem now once you select that do as many research because you may
not find exactly what you have what you are going to do because that’s what is research about you are going to do
something new but read a lot of research Publications that has been done over the
years what has been done what has failed what has not failed what shows promising
you know ideas take those ideas incorporate in it make a hypothesis of
it what what you are expecting find find the problem and find what you want to
solve about that problem I think that’s the main thing about a research is what you want to solve it’s not only
identifying the problem and from that give your best in trying to find the
supporting research supporting research is really important I would say and when
you are going for towards publication that means if if you’re ready for publication that means your research is
working and sometimes it’s not only about how successful your project was a
publication can also be about what were the failures and what did you learn from your research that’s a great Point I’ve
talked to so many people that uh we talked about your hypothesis and how it changed along the way when you actually
got your observations in so many people give up when their observations don’t match their
hypothesis yes and I think that actually happens because you dedicates so much of
your hours of your life and then you are so passionate about this and then when you’re thinking it’s going to happen and
it’s not happening it’s demotivating at times but what you have to learn from
here is learn from what has failed why it has failed you know find a reason
behind your failure that will lead to your success that’s what I believe in
one of our most used water treatment products here in the Atlanta Metropolitan Area was a mistake and we
didn’t design it for what we use it for now and if we just threw it away we would not have realized all the success
that we’ve had with it for years yes you were mentioning about what do we do with how good the water is from this process
so the treated water from this can also be used into your industrial water
treatment in many of the meat and processing Industries where they have used where they are currently using in
some of the countries small scale meat processing Industries are food and beverage some of these facilities use
the treated water from electrochemical oxidation into cooling towers and also
in cleaning their facilities instead of using raw City water for their you know
treatment one of the concerns that people have with using reused water in
HVAC systems or even clean in place systems are the bacteria that come in
with that so how do we ensure that we’re not introducing something we don’t want
so electrochemical peroxidation is very much effective treatment in microbial
destruction as well so there are many researches that has been done that has been proved that it can kill
microorganisms there is the pathogenic microbial growth can be nicely
distracted uh effectively distracted and of course if you’re using a process and
if you’re using it for reusability purposes you will always go through a disinfection system if someone wants to
get started in Wastewater what advice would you give them if it’s someone from
the water industry who has been in the industrial water treatment I would say
these two are very different and if it’s if it’s for a completely new person what I would say is Wastewater is like math
it’s like a game you you have to really understand and you have to really enjoy doing it it’s a piece of puzzle I would
say it’s it’s to me you connect the different dots and it’s it’s going to be bring a beautiful picture to it yeah
anybody that’s ever done a jar study before I think it’s more luck than
science science will get you close but I can’t tell you how many mistakes I’ve made that have been better than what I
calculated oh yes yes but actually when I say math um it’s not about the putting
in the formulas but if you’re solving a problem you see it in maths you see it from
different perspectives right you use different theorems you use different uh correlations so I see Wastewater as the
same way you need to trial an error you need to play it like a game you know I always see many of times when
I am in the field helping our technical Representatives some of them say hey I use this much of feric chloride and it’s
it’s not working the important thing is it’s not only about the addition of chemicals we have to understand the
characteristic of the Wastewater just because fery chloride is working in one thing it’s at at a
certain dosage it does not mean that a different Wastewater will work in the same so we have to look into the pH the
temperature the characteristic the composition of the wastewaters what’s
where is it coming from where is it going so all of these matters a lot a lot of times even a drop of even if your
pH is at the right range you know for the chemical coagulation to happen but
sometimes just adding a drop of acid or an alkaly it it changes very differently
because it some s it needs a catalyst to work for so even if you’re in the right range in the pH maybe it’s just adding
the Catalyst understanding how it’s going to work is very important what’s your strangest
Wastewater story oh many I uh one I would never forget was I
was working uh sometime for agricultural waste water so one day I’m going going
to pick up manure waste water from a cattle farm dairy cattle farm and the
waste water that was there it was full of cang and all the fathers drained
through and I just took one bucket of waste water to my lab and I was stinking
that menure Wastewater all my day all my day I mean there there had been so many
incidents like like that that I think I have I have seen the worst in
Wastewater that nothing yikes me out anymore when I first got started in this
industry my dad took me to a turkey rendering plant and that was just the
worst smell I can remember the smell for to this day it sticks to your it sticks
it sticks everything oh my goodness so because of that I used to CU I now had
to service at my dad said now you deal with the stink and I would take a change of clothes and just sitting in my car it
would get penetrated with that smell so I then learned I had to put them in a sealed trash bag and I had to go
somewhere to take a shower to change otherwise I was so offensive to anybody I would come in contact with later that
day they didn’t want to talk to me no that’s true like the lab that I was working on the next Lab was a Plant
Pathology lab and uh they used to think that they working on the you know yikes
UI stuff but whenever I enter the lab they will just open the lab and tell me
STI can you please close your lab [Laughter] door can you put a couple air fresheners
in there I’m curious what are some of your favorite Wastewater
resources the first one would be the mataf and Eddie wastewater treatment
book that’s that’s like the Bible I would say of Wastewater that’s one book
I would advise any and everyone who wants to know about a little bit of waste water
the second book would be the standard methods of estimation analysis that’s
like all the standard procedures for all sorts of chemical analysis you want to do it’s not only related to Wastewater
but any kind of chemical analytical test that you want to do the standard procedures it’s so nicely given that you
can just start just by referring to that book from day one those are some great
resources I’m curious knowing all the things you’ve worked on up to this point
is there something you wish you knew back then that you knew now patience
patience I think that’s one great thing that PhD taught me I I used to get
really overwhelmed over small things and really Panic about things before when I
joined but over the time over the five years of my PhD patience due diligence
is something that I learned is there anything else you want our scaling up Nation members to know well do what you
what you know and ask always for help I I would say that a lot of times even me
at times uh we hesitant asking for help but we are one nation so it’s not
necessary for you to know everything we are all together in this so be there for
everyone else and also seek help and guidance from everyone else I love that
and we are the scaling up Nation we are one nation and we’re all doing similar work how cool is that yes absolutely and
I’m so proud to be a part of this industry as a whole because um not only I enjoy doing what I do and I get to
learn so much every single day it’s it’s a new learning opportunity for me every
single time so I just cannot be happy enough to be in this industry well let’s
unpack that a little bit because we’re all experiencing a work shortage it’s hard to find new people and the people
we do find are not familiar with this industry so what can you say to sell to
the people that are out there that this is a great industry to be in well we
need water every day that’s the basic I think need so to protect the water to
save the world it’s I think we are in a way the superheroes because the basic
need of human life is water so I think that’s the best selling point that I can give to anyone is like you are a
superhero if you’re working in this industry enough said well thank you so much for coming
on the scaling up H2O podcast and I if I’m is it okay for us to put your thesis
on our show notes page yes absolutely we will make sure to have that so lots of
people driving today they have their hands at 10 and two so I’m sure they want to take some more notes they can do
that in the comfort of their own home yes absolutely and also um there is a
scholar.com scholar.google.com they have I have my profile up there where I have
my Publications so so if if they want to go and refer to those I have about eight
different Publications so if they want to read more about it there feel free to either
contact me or look into those resources we’ll make sure to put ways to
contact you on those show notes page thank you so much for coming on the podcast thank you
[Music] trace once again swatti thanks so much
for coming on the scaling of H2O podcast and Nation I know that there is so much
content out there in the scaling up Nation we just need to encourage it to
come out and you might have some information but maybe you’re a little intimidated to write a technical paper
I’m hoping that this interview has given you some confidence and some tips and maybe some starting points where you can
start to write your own own technical paper and if you’d like to read swatt’s
paper we are going to have that on our show notes page for this episode so just
go to scaling up h2o.com and we will have that available for you and you can
read exactly what we were talking about here now all of the conferences that we
mention on the scaling up H2O podcast they are all looking for speakers to
talk about content that helps Their audience learn
more about whatever it is that they are trying to form around at their
conference so maybe you have the next technical paper that can be presented at
the International Water conference maybe you have the next technical paper that can be presented at the association of
water Technologies conference maybe there’s another conference that fits
you better but the entire point is is that you have that information and trust
me the world want you to give that information up share that with the
community if you choose to do that so many things will happen for others you
are now exciting others to learn new things you’re challenging the way they
might have thought about something you’re making them better at what they
do daytoday because of those things now for you and I will tell you this is the
reason that I started this podcast because whenever I have to talk about
something whenever I have to write about something whenever I have to teach something I need to learn more about it
now I know a little bit already but now I have to anticipate what people want to
know I have to look at different ways of how to explain something I might have
already known and now through that I learn it better I solidify things that I
already knew and I learn new things that I didn’t know and that excites me I’ve
said many times on this podcast that one of my mentors Tim Fulton he gave me a
phrase well over a decade ago AG go that how do you know the things that you
don’t know and that phrase has just consumed me with how do I know what I
don’t know and then once I know it I can figure out how to go learn it and that’s
why I put myself in masterminds that’s why I go to conferences that’s why I try
to read all the content and Technical papers that I can because I want to
learn the things that I didn’t know I didn’t know and I hope that motivates
you as well but there are things out there that we all know and when we
decide to share those with others that allows us to know them even better and
our mission here is to improve the Water Treatment Community to raise the bar in
the water treatment industry one water treater at a time and if you can share
something with the scaling up Nation or something with the audience at whatever
convention that you go to you are helping that mission and there’s a
ripple effect that happens like when you throw a pebble into a body of water you
see the ripples go out but you have no idea what they’re eventually going to
reach and that’s what you’re doing when you’re putting that content out in into
the world I hope this episode inspired you to do that and I hope this episode inspired you to learn more about all of
the fascinating things that swatti was talking about and how she put all of her
data together and if again if you want to read her paper we’re going to have
all of that on scaling up h2o.com Nation if you have an idea for a show or if you
have someone that you want us to interview go to scaling up h2o.com go
over to our show ideas page and we will make sure that we get that on our list
and that will ensure the entire scaling up nation that we have a podcast for
years to come and for all those people that I am getting ready to meet at the
International Water conference I cannot wait to see you next week and for those
people that aren’t going to be there know that I’m thinking of you and you’ll be able to hear me on Friday with a
brand new episode so until then have a great week [Music]
folks do you wish you had your own private tutor to help you study for the
certified water technologist examination well now you do so many of you have
asked me to help you with the mock cwt examination and I’ve done that very
thing if you go to scaling up2.com cwt prep again that scaling up h2o.com
cwt prep you will see that I’ve created a course and I tell you everything I
know about each one of those Mo questions it’s my hope that that helps
give you the confidence you need to sign up to get certified
today