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welcome to the scaling up h2l Podcast a podcast where we scale up on our knowledge so we don’t scale up our
systems my name is Trace Blackmore and I get the distinct honor and privilege of
Hosting this amazing podcast and why is it amazing well it’s not amazing because
of the host it is amazing because of all of you and of course we call people that
listen to this podcast the scaling up nation and you are the scaling up nation
and the reason we did that is we wanted to emphasize that we have Community it’s
all about Community it’s all about knowing that you are in an industry that
so many other people are in but sometimes that’s difficult to think about when you are at your account when
you are driving from account to account when you are thinking about an issue
and you think that nobody else has ever experienced that issue or maybe you’re
trying to tell somebody about what your daytoday job is and they just don’t get
it well I know I am talking out of my own frame of reference and I’m sure that
you have had similar items and feelings just like I have and that’s why we
created the SC aing up Nation because when you do feel alone you know you are
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right along with you and we are all the scaling up nation and something that I
think would even help grow the scaling up nation is the next time somebody asks
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the emotion about the job why you love doing this job and I think if we share
more of that people will start asking more questions and when people start
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industry is I have gotten the ability to meet so many new people that I would
have never met before because I am involved in this industry and let me
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career being able to lean on my friends within the Water Treatment Community so
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can ask others what they have done and then even if they have a solution I get
the opportunity to make it even better because they told me how they found it and how they left it and now I get to
start it all over again we are in an amazing industry and getting to know all
the people we can within this industry is how we make it even better so many of
us cannot travel because we are too busy so maybe this next event is for you the
D saltic water week online is taking place December 5th through 7th this is
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key players in the industrial and Municipal Water sector on a global scale
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under our event section another conference that you may be interested in that’s taking place at exactly the same
time so maybe you can go to one in person and the other one virtually well this one’s taking place in Denver
Colorado it’s the North American water loss conference in Expo to find out information about that conference we’re
going to have that on our events page the 60th annual joint North Dakota water
convention and irrigation Workshop is taking place December 5th through 8th in
bismar North Dakota so we’re going to have information about that one as well
on our events page these are all taking place right on the exact same date so
you get the opportunity to figure out which one you are going to go to or
maybe you go to two and do the virtual one while you’re at the other conference
don’t worry we’ll have all of that information for you and more on our events page something you want to mark
your calendar for because we always have such a great time when we get together
yes I’m talking about the Hang well we’ve done all the hangs we are going to do this year we do them once a quarter
and January 11th is the next time we are going to get together with the hang the
Hang is where we get together talk about all things water treatment and just celebrate being in this industry we get
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up h2o.com slang to register and I look forward to
seeing you there the last event that I will mention is taking place in Chicago
Illinois January 22nd through 24th and that is the 2024 ahr Expo put on by
ashray and Ahri this is a great show if you’ve
never been to it there’s so much to do there it’s one of the larger conferences that we get to attend and we’re going to
have all the information you need to know on on scaling up h2o.com on our
events section talking about all of these conferences it’s really hard to go
to a water conference these days and not hear about pasas pasas is poly Flor
Alkali substances also called Forever chemicals and you have probably heard
about these EG nauseum over the last couple of years but before that we never
really heard about them and as I started talking to more and more people I
realized that people heard the term but they didn’t really understand what that
term meant so we are going to have an interview for you today that is going to
make sure you are in the know about this new
acronym my lab partner today is Tanya Chandler director at biolo Global p and
Regulatory expert welcome Tanya thank you now I’m trying to remember you and I
met years ago at a wtech conference were you speaking then is that where we met
no I was with probably violia at the time and uh you know I’ve been at wtech
now for 22 years and I’ll be there again this year so if anybody uh wants to talk
to us we’re there well speak speaking of wtech and the International Water
conference and you name the conference you can’t get an agenda of papers
without pasas being on the list of topics so I thought we could start with
basically just generally if somebody hasn’t heard of what pasas is what is
pasas pasas is per or poly fluorinated alkaline substances which sounds like a
lot of big words um but it really boils down to they’re the compounds that make
plastic moldable or bendable they are what makes compounds or what makes
products grease proof what makes them waterproof they are what helps us in the
manufacturing process to help things slide evenly through
manufacturing or to not clog or to not bind in the manufacturing process there
are emulsifiers there’s surfactants so they’re in a lot of our cleaners they’re
in products you may not even know they’re in but the reality is they’re
everywhere how did you become an expert in this topic well I’ve always been
interested in it because it’s an emerging compound for water and wastewater and you know doing that you
know 20 some years you’re always watching the latest trends but when I came to work at biolargo biolargo had
started on an sbir Grant back in 2019 they had answered a call for Innovation
to remove posos from aqueous streams so when I got here in the middle of coid
one of the things that was my job to do was to dig a little bit more into posos
how are we going to Market this product uh what were the regulations surrounding this product and it it kind of
snowballed from there where now I’m giving talks across the country on posos
everything from its history the regulations to best practices and how to treat it but really it has just been a
kind of series of learnings that I have now fallen in love with it’s become a passion to me and uh realizing that as a
kid I might have been exposed to this where I lived we’re going to talk about exposure and and where it’s where it is
uh in fact there is an article I’m going to bring up in a second that a local newspaper just Reach Out to me about but
before we do that I I am kind of curious when people come up to you and they they
want you to to talk on this topic I’m guessing there’s two different streams
of where these questions are coming from one I’m consuming these what do I need
to know two I’m in charge of this for a customer what do I need to know for
regulatory or what do I need to know about my products to make sure that I’m not creating more of a problem down the
road are are those pretty much the the two areas of questions that you’re getting yeah it’s Regulatory and it’s
how the heck do we treat these as well um I mean that goes right along with the regulatory but on the consuming side the
reality is is we’ve been consuming these since you know
1945 um if you go back and look at the history of posos although they say PTFE
was developed in 1938 um by Roy J plunkin and he worked
at Dupont was a completely failed experiment totally by accident really if
you go back and look for perm polyfluorinated compounds you can actually find them in chemistry back in
1830 1860 um and you can really attribute a
lot of our modern Technologies to the discovery of the uh posos compounds
things like we wouldn’t have had the atomic bomb without posos it played a
big part in the seals and the Linings as they were making the atomic bomb but you
can follow it through history and say that it became a consumer product in the
late 40s early 50s uh where we were starting to see it on pans we were
starting to see it in manufactured products another posos comp phone the
pfos which we know was Scotch Guard was another messed up experiment that turned
into a product you know that was used for a long time so it’s really been
entering our environment since the 40s and 50s so we’ve been exposed to it
longer than just this recent uh regulatory you know Insight on it you
can take it back through history so is it necessary to treat it absolutely uh
we need to stop the cycle but as far as limiting your consumption you know look
for things that I that say grease proof waterproof things like that switch to a natural fabric softener um because it’s
in fabric softener it can be in detergent so the more natural that you go you’ll reduce it you won’t eliminate
it but you’ll reduce it the article that I referred to earlier was about a local Atlanta municipality and they found
higher levels of posos and that of course got everybody scared that had the
drinking water in that municipality and you and I spoke a little bit about this as we were we were talking before
recording the show we’ve had this in our water for quite some time but it’s just now people are learning about it and now
they’re starting to get worried about what they’ve been drinking for the past couple of years so I’m curious if a
reporter called you and asked you what should the consumer be concerned about
how would you answer them I guess I would be more worried about limiting my exposure outside of drinking
water because municipally we’re going to have to treat the drinking water it’s coming we all know this so that will
take you know that will take care of it if you’ve got the ability to put you know a carbon system if you’ve got the
ability to put a small uh anion exchange system on you know your home unit if you
have your own well you’ll limit it quite a bit the closer you are to things like Manufacturing in airports is the you
know more chances of your exposure through something like an impacted
aquafer but part of what uh I tell people is we’re setting the levels very
low because we’re trying to break the Cycles but if you go over to Europe or
if you ask who World Health Organization they’re going to set the uh limits at
about uh 100 parts per trillion not four parts per trillion so I don’t worry
about it as much in the drinking water because eventually we’re we’re starting to break that cycle and your
municipalities will have to take care of that but I’m very conscious about what I buy because that’s where a lot of your
exposure is going to come from we have in the United States stopped manufacturing products with pfos and
pfoa we did that in the early 2000s right but we had never taken the steps
for them them coming in from overseas we have now as a government taken that step
and we remove the DI Minimus exemption on manufactured products coming in
typically you know the regulations on importing of products has really focused
around raw materials for things like the Toxic release inventory and and all of
that we have now kind of broken that with posos and said if a product coming
intoing the United States contains pfos or pfoa they have to list it on the
label no matter how small the amount problem is is a lot of people don’t
realize that what they’re using to manufacture contains pfos or pfoa or
it’s created in the manufacturing process itself when you talk about a f
foam a f foam is attributed to having pfos and PFA pfoa is an added ingredient
to that pfos is a byproduct made in the manufacturing of the foam so other
things that we’re putting in there are precursors and it’s combining into and creating pfos before it becomes the foam
so this is where we’re still trying to kind of break down and see what’s in you
know what’s in products and sometimes regulate the precursors that are creating those products you mentioned
point of use filters uh is just a regular carbon filter good enough what should you be looking for if you’re
concerned about this okay so there’s studies that say that some of the pitcher carbon filters and the under the
sync carbon filters can take out posos and they probably are taking out some
but best practices on carbon filters or ion exchange system so carbon is 11 to
13 minutes of contact time to remove posos and ion exchange is 3 to five now
will it take out some absolutely it won’t probably take out all and small chain P are going to go right through it
NSF has a rating I believe it’s 53 are you familiar with that yeah a little bit
if somebody got a filter that had that rating should they say yes I don’t have to worry about this anymore uh no I I
still think you’re going to see posos go through it it’s hard to escape a 100 you
know 100% % it it’s in the rainwater it’s in the grass it’s in the
food we eat you know it’s in the air we breathe so you can minimize your exposure but
you’re not going to eliminate it they’ve found posos 3 three feet deep in the Arctic they found it on the top of Mount
Everest and they found it in the rainforest so it travels it follows the
water cycle and it travels so you’re not going to escape it completely you know
the farmers can do their best to you know not have it in the water that
they’re pulling up for irrigation but you’re still going to see it in the rain water coming down you know we it’s not
like we can put canopies over everything let’s change gear slightly and talk
about industrial so now we’ve got a customer that’s trying to remove it in
their system so now we’re talking about Wastewater what are some of the methods that are being employed there so the
first thing is if you find that you’ve got uh posos contamination or if you’ve
test positive on the Wastewater side make sure you’re using method 1633 in the analysis that is designed for
Wastewater and it’s going to test for I think it’s 29 posos compounds if you
happen to get a positive result first foremost take a look at your testing
itself walk yourself backwards and say did I use night trial gloves that contain powder what was I wearing at the
time did I have sunscreen on did I have skin lotion on what products did I have
on did I basically did I contaminate my sample because the fact of the matter is
if you’re wearing a shirt that’s got a fabric softener on it and it happens to
shed a few fibers it doesn’t take much to create that part per trillion
positive result another thing is did I put it in a Ziploc bag did I use a
Post-It note on the top of it Ziploc bags don’t contain P but puss are used in the manufacturing of them same thing
with Post-It note the glue on the Post-it note contains posos so that’s
the first thing walk back through your process and say do I have a cleaning
solution do I have some kind of manufacturing Aid that contains it if it
if you do look at switching if if it’s vital to your process then
you have to treat on the back side then you have to look at what’s my flow rate
what other contaminants do I have in the water reason being was backside of a
Wastewater Plant carbon and ion exchange if you’ve got high Organics coming out are going to go you know you’re going to
burn them up way too fast and you don’t want to have to take that waste water to a tertiary output point because you’re
going to add you know millions of in overall capital and operating cost so
do I need to look at a technology that’s more suited on the Wastewater side than
the traditional Technologies tend to be so then you look at more of the Innovative Technologies and so you’re
looking at flow rate because you can look at something like a foam fractionation system but you really got
to have a decent flow rate for that um because you’re going to a super critical water oxidation destruction behind it
and you’re talking very Capital intensive processing there do I go to
something like an aquous electrostatic concentration unit it’s still a collection process but you know it’s I
can say it’s made by my company but we follow it with a destruction process so you’re still getting the destruction you
don’t want to trade one problem for the next so whatever you do on the back side you want to make sure that you know what
the consumables are and what kind of product you’re going to have to dispose on the back side of it February of
2024 is the date we are expecting to find a rule publish for cir cira so what
does that mean yes cira is closed sites but when something gets put on a
hazardous constituents list for cira three things have to happen one if you
have a release of more than uh one pound in a 24-hour period you have to reported
as a Toxic release it must be reported in any kind
of real estate transfer especially government real estate but it’s already worked its way into the ASM phase one
site evaluations so you’re already started to see the posos Clause there so that’s two the third one is the bigger
deal the third one requires it to be registered with the Department of Transportation as hazardous waste to
transport that means if you’re transporting carbon you’re transporting media from an ion exchange system all of
that media now has to be transported as has waist you’re also going to start seeing recra that we’re expecting the
first uh rule for recra the initial rule to be published in December so that’s
going to be active sites and again it’s going on the appendix 8 so it’s a hazardous
constituent it’s not it’s a hazardous substance it’s not full has waste but it
will be treated as such but because it’s looking at both of those rules now you’re talking cradle to grave so if you
don’t go to a full destruction process at the end and not the destruction
process that Cleaves off the functional end and says it’s a it’s destroyed it but it’s now just made it into a small
you know a short chain the full to inert salt destruction process you are now
responsible for it whatever happens to it and cira has no time frame they you
can go back 50 years to uh find somebody
under the polluter pay rules so make sure you know what you’re going to do with it make sure you’re not going to
trade one thing for another if you do have clean water you’re going to a carbon system do you have high silica do
you have high nitrate uh do you have high organic same with ion exchange these are the things that are going to
interfere with the system you have to worry about channeling with those systems so make sure that you know you
know how to hand handle it the big thing is get a consultant involved that understands your process as well as the
Wastewater process itself well let’s stay on the regulatory goal for a while
you mentioned that and and you mentioned you mentioned a lot of numbers before what are you seeing in municipalities
because if we see it in one area we’re probably going to see it follow suit in other areas what do we need to look for
okay the EPA published its notice of Ru making for Safe Drinking Water and they
came out with four parts per trillion for pfoa and pfos and then they came out
with a hazard index for other Posas the hazard index is really a calculation
about exposure it’s based on the idea that if somebody drank two and a half
liters of water a day for a specific amount of time I have to look up what
that is that 30% of their exposure is going to come from their drinking water so you take a running average of the
last four quarters and you’d say okay my Gen X number I divide that by 10 and my
pfbs number and I divide that by 2,000 and my pfna number I divide that
by nine and my pfhxs I divide that by 10 might have those two backwards and you
add it all up and it has to equal one or less if you’re over one you are over the
limit which a lot of people have given criticisms about because if you are off
in one of those you’re going to push yourself over for all of them so there
there there’s still a question on whether they’ll keep that like that but we’re supposed to see the next iteration
of that rule in December we’re also supposed to see uh Clean Water Act
numbers in December the first iteration of what those are going to look like
including what NP you know the neps permits the npdes permits are going to look like they put it into the
monitoring now you’re going to see them actually put some numbers to it and and give us some numbers that we may have to
hit you’re also seeing plan 15 on the landfill side um anybody doing their own
landfill work if you discharge to a navigable water way they’re telling you
that the numbers are coming out soon um and then they ordered a study done on
lee8 that’s going into the pow systems the municipal systems so they can
actually start putting numbers around those the kicker to all of that is once
you put something on cira once you put something on recra you can’t dispose of
a hazardous constituent in a navigable Waterway with without specialized
permitting so it jump starts the whole process that means you cannot put Ro
concentrate down a sewer without a specialized permit if you have because
you can’t discharge into a you can’t discharge a hazardous substance into a sewer so it really pushes all of these
other regulatory factors forward now EPA has said they’re not not going after
municipalities they’ve said they’re going after industrial clients first on cira they are going to look at where has
the most contamination come from they’re going to map systems they’re going to walk it back and they’re going for those
enforcements first at least that’s what they’ve indicated you go to the store you buy
coffee and the coffee certified to be safe and the rainforest is nice and healthy is there a certification that
there’s no past in the making of the product there’s been a law lot of lawsuits around it BTS bees uh oral
Redenbacher cocacola Maybelline alme uh NYX
underwear Burger King McDonald’s all of these companies have been
sued uh in one sh way shape or form Capri Sun the simply juices they’ve been
sued for saying they’re 100% natural or that they are sustainable and then
posos has been founded there was a ruling not too long ago for orille
Redenbacher that said they can’t be liable for unintentionally added posos
so that’s a big win for the manufacturing industry especi the food manufacturing industry so that if it’s
coming in as a byproduct of okay the oranges were watered by you know watered the trees the trees uptake the water you
know goes into the oranges you’re not liable for the posos that are in the oranges um because it came from
rainwater all of this stuff is just one way we’re seeing the regulatory
framework come about but let’s be honest we know that some of that regulatory
framework will come from precedent set in lawsuits what is that landscape look like have there been lots of past
lawsuits there has uh so right now there is a multi-district litigation lawsuit
surrounding impacted municipalities from a f foam that they’ve somewhat everybody
kind of probably has heard about that at Dupont 3M they’re coming to a conclusion
of that now and that lawsuit actually takes a phased approach on how it pays out but it’ll set a precedent there’s
other lawsuits going on for manufacturers there’s other lawsuits
going on on for personal injury so you’re starting to see this landscape
and and there’s been a steady increase of peos lawsuits since about
2019 what are some of the most common misconceptions around this topic that
we’re going to be able to uh solve all of our problems with gak and ion exchange really that is the
misconception and it’s not because they don’t work they I will never tell you they don’t work they do and they are
very good Technologies for removing it but there isn’t enough carbon in the
world to remove all of the posos we couldn’t produce enough granular
activated carbon to put on every Wastewater system every drinking water
system in the country and change it out at the frequency it’s going to require we are
going to have to look to Innovations for biosolids I always tell people if you had to pick a they ask me if you had to
pick a treatment for bio solids my instant answer is super critical water
oxidation if you can afford it because it is one of the better Technologies halt systems again are another one same
concept little bit lower temperature and pressure but they both take the
biosolids through a process where they’re salting out as they call it the posos making it into a nert salts but it
needs to be it’s high energy consumption it is High pressures high temperatures
and there’s a lot of chemistry that has to be monitored so it’s not for the average municipality it’s not for the
average business I tell people get a good collection process and then send it to somebody else for disposal if you are
a small company if you are you know or look for somebody that’s got a service Exchange program that’ll take that
liability on them um instead of being on you you know biolargo water one that
does a service exchange uh Culligan does a service exchange that eliminates some
of the liability of the regulations that are coming because you don’t actually
own the media you’re basically renting it so as an industrial water treater and
we’ve got lots of industrial water treaters listening today what’s the bare minimum that they need to arm themselves
around this topic so when their customers ask them about it they can start with good
information well one of the thing is as a manufacturer you know some of the labeling that’s coming out on the
products that people are going to be uh looking for are things like free of uh intentionally added posos you know you
can arm yourself with your customers and we are doing everything that we can to
keep unintentionally added posos out of our product or intentionally added pasas
out of our product but on the Wastewater side be able to know what you have in
your product what you have in the making of your product ask
for ingredients lists ask the manufacturers of the chemicals you use
in the manufacturing process do you have posos compounds in your product because
they’ll have to go back and find out but things like Teflon seals in you know
Machinery that’s posos can you switch to silicone can you you know it it’s things
like that but then arm yourself do your testing and arm yourself with what you do have because all of your permitting
all of the uh you know as the municipalities map back if you go to a pow and are required to do pre-treatment
it’s better to be proactive and say I’m removing this already rather than them
come back and put an edict on on you that says you have to treat it you know be proactive on it and work with the
municipality to get it out rather than being the one that they can point a finger to but those systems take
maintenance and that’s the other thing you need to know Pick A system that has the maintenance for the personnel and
the operator hours that you have because none of these are set it and forget it
systems not when you’re talking posos because even a carbon system even an ion
exchange system although there’s not a lot of work to them there is a lot of
testing that has to be done on the back side because they Channel and the minute you Channel you now have an untreated
stream going through and the awwa and the EPA has said they don’t want you backwashing or uh fluffing on site the
other thing is if your process uses mixed bed treatment already you’re
already taking posos out because it’s going to the anion of the mixed bed so if you’re doing any kind of anion
treatment if you’ve got an R in your system if you’re already using gak
you’re already taking it out so then your options are on the front side of things you can put a system in that’ll
capture it before it goes into those processes or you let those processes uh
take it and then deal with the media disposal after or you know make sure
you’re doing a lot of testing on it for a member of the scaling up nation that wants to learn more about this topic are
there particular resources that you like to recommend people to well I always recommend that people
go to my website which is bestp treatment.com but you can also go to
local seminars uh you can go to the awwa
website um they have a lot EPA has a lot of information but if you’re looking for
something that’s a little less dry one of my favorite books on the
topic is called exposure and it’s the story of the first lawsuit
um by Robert Billet on behalf of Wilbur tenant against Dupont but there’s a lot
of background posos information on that you watch the movie Dark Waters that is
actually a really good resource It’s a docu drama they took a few Liberties but it’s pretty accurate or if you want if
you like documentaries go out to YouTube and find the devil we know which is a documentary on the parkerburg lawsuit
I will make sure to have all of those resources on this show notes page we’ve
talked about some technologies already and you mentioned there were some more Innovative ones I know you’ve been
personally involved with with several can you tell us about those okay so
obviously my favorite is mine which is called the aqueous electrostatic concentrator and my reason for it being
my favorite actually is more about the Technologies flexibility because it
works on water it works on waste water it’ll work on leachate so it’s not
impeded by some of the factors that impede some of the other units but there
is no Black Box in water treatment we all know that there just isn’t it’s all based on chemistry so when you’re
looking for treatment look for companies that are willing to test the product first look for a company that’s willing
to do a small pilot I tend to shy away right now from bio remediation not
because bio remediation doesn’t work but because nobody’s proven out a bug yet that will eat PE us they’re working on
it they’re close but bugs don’t need anything they can’t expel the energy from so you know we might be waiting a
little bit for some genetic modification there I mentioned the supercritical
water oxidation that is good if you have high concentrations of carbon plasma and
photov vitalic techn Technologies are very high energy intensive so they tend
to be more on the expensive side they work better on pfas than they are going
to be on pfos anytime you’re looking at posos treatment know what posos you have
because if you’ve got more longchain P some if you see pfos pfoa come up pfna
in your testing then traditional treatments probably will work pretty good for you the carbon the ion exchange
if you come up with what they call short chain posos if you see more of the Gen X’s come up they’re going to be harder
to take out so you’re going to be looking more towards those Innovative treatments that use something to enhance
the polarity of the posos and use it against itself because they tend to go
right through they’re small they don’t have as big of a uh polarity to attach
to the ion exchange um so a carbon will come along and they it’ll knock it right
off it’ll go right through the you know the the carbon systems so when you’re talking with short chain posos you
really need to look at technologies that are more on the electrochemical side
more on the uh electrostatic concentration side that are going to
have a electrolytic field that is going to pull the puss towards
it this has been a great wealth of information I’m sure there are people out there that still have some questions
if someone wanted to contact you directly how could they do that well they can reach out to me at pasos
bolo.com or tanya. Chandler bolo.com if
you go to that bestp treatment.com website uh there is a more information
button comes directly to my email as well so please feel free to reach out
well I’m not quite done with my questions yet we’re going to shift gears to the lightning round question so are
you buckled up I am all right my first question if you could go back in time
and talk to your former self on your very first day as a posos expert what
advice would you give yourself Follow Your Passion throw yourself into it Follow Your Passion
because if you do it that way sky’s the limit on what you can do I always wanted to give talks about this kind of stuff
and and really dig into it and by doing that by following the passion um and
getting myself out there I’ve been able to do that speaking of that you have put
out so much great content on this topic I want to make sure that we have some
links on our show notes page so people can easily find that uh it really is brilliant work that you’ve done I want
to thank you for that personally thank you next question what are some of the books that you’re
reading okay so um I tend to be I don’t know if it’s a knowledge sponge or or
very boring but some of the books I’ve been reading obviously is exposure by
Robert Billet that one I actually have read multiple times but then as I was
thinking about this I plastic and autobiography and uh Oppenheimer and the
atomic bomb I saw the movie Oppenheimer and uh knowing the connection between
the role posos played in the making of the atomic bomb um and then seeing that
movie it it really has had me digging into the history of that so do they
mention the seals in the book or the movie in the book yes in the movie no
and believe it or not that plastic and autobiography has a quote from the
president of DuPont in the beginning of it and it said after the war which was
referring to after the military wasn’t buying the um Teflon anymore and he goes
we need to make sure that the American public is Never Satisfied obviously they’re going to
make a movie about your life who do you want playing Tanya Elizabeth Olsen there
you go my last question you now have the power to talk to anybody throughout history who to be with and
why um that one’s a a little bit hard harder for me um because there’s so many
great people in history that I could go through but I think I’d like to talk
with Einstein I saw some commercial the other day somebody was playing cards with Einstein so I don’t know maybe maybe
he’ll play cards with him someday it’s either Einstein or uh or Oppenheimer
because you look at the way that their brain works and it’s I think it would be
interesting to sit down and see what their opinion on all of this would be
I’ve read several things on Einstein and he did not waste any energy on anything
that shouldn’t require thought he wear the same thing every day ate the same thing the same times he just wanted to
involve his brain with thinking of the next new thing not the next thing Tanya
thank you so much for joining us on the scaling up H2O podcast thank you for having
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